He's probably including guys like Langi and Harvey Jackson.

Oct 19, 2014
11:42:08pm

Josef K

Guys that were overrated and never amounted to anything, which why they transferred.

We don't have much talent on defense this year. Our guys are smaller and slower--that is obvious to the naked eye.

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The reason for BYU's failure is very simple: The players aren't very good

jhingman

10/19/14 11:06pm

this is true but I still believe there are more problems than just talent alone

PortlandCoug

10/19/14 11:07pm

Well said.

Alcova

10/19/14 11:07pm

This argument is also baloney.

pittsburghcoug

10/19/14 11:09pm

Thanks, somebody had to do it

traveller 1860

10/19/14 11:12pm

Our players aren't good?

RunningQB

10/19/14 11:13pm

Agreed, but that's more the recruiting side of things

jhingman

10/19/14 11:22pm

The Nevada and Utah State defensive lines are better than BYU's. Yes.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:15pm

Then that's also a coaching problem, b/c that should never be the case.

P-townCoug

10/19/14 11:16pm

Rowley - 4 star recruit. Bronson should be on the line.

pittsburghcoug

10/19/14 11:17pm

Rowley was recruited to play O line and it shows.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:17pm

he was recruited and listed at both. DL for BYU.

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:27pm

Bronson seems injured or something, because he's even slower than Rowley

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:18pm

Maybe so, but it's not due to lack of talent. That's the hole in your analysis.

Real Men Wear Blue

10/20/14 9:17am

Exactly. Not only that, but if our players were no better or worse than

P-townCoug

10/19/14 11:15pm

I said clearly in my post that the coaches are to blame for recruiting

jhingman

10/19/14 11:25pm

You're right, you did. My bad.

P-townCoug

10/19/14 11:30pm

How do you explain Ziggy?

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:16pm

Ziggy is a freak of nature, and he only made it on the field

pittsburghcoug

10/19/14 11:20pm

If you're questioning Bronco's personnel decision, I agree with you.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:22pm

This tells us all we need to know about the BYU football culture

LV Mike

10/19/14 11:23pm

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while...

Taullis

10/19/14 11:21pm

lol everything he needed to know?

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:32pm

Your constant Ziggy reference shows you haven't been around sports much.

MtnMan

10/19/14 11:54pm

Is doesn't matter how talented you are.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/20/14 12:01am

Ziggy was and is a freak. You still don't get it. Athletes like Ziggy are rare

MtnMan

10/20/14 12:16am

Bronco didn't recruit Ziggy.

So it goes...

10/19/14 11:57pm

That's the worst example you could use to support your argument.

Real Men Wear Blue

10/20/14 9:19am

How do you explain how a team has Ziggy and KVN but still puts up mediocre

mr_thekid

10/21/14 6:41pm

You think stars and recruiting rankings really matter in this case?

jhingman

10/19/14 11:21pm

Bronco's defense was #3 because he had two stellar players.

pittsburghcoug

10/19/14 11:25pm

You're making my point for me, but you may not know it

jhingman

10/19/14 11:33pm

Not true.

pittsburghcoug

10/19/14 11:41pm

I see your argument, but I don't think there's enough evidence to support it

jhingman

10/19/14 11:58pm

Yeah I mean they have had 2 players drafted in the last 4 drafts. Nobody

concolor couguar

10/20/14 7:15am

I call baloney. Who were the 5 4 star defensive players.

Alcova

10/19/14 11:33pm

He's probably including guys like Langi and Harvey Jackson.

Josef K

10/19/14 11:42pm

RE: He's probably including guys like Langi and Harvey Jackson.

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:48pm

We are small and slow in the secondary.

Josef K

10/19/14 11:55pm

RE: We are small and slow in the secondary.

southernfriedcougar

10/20/14 12:17am

RE: I call baloney. Who were the 5 4 star defensive players.

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:42pm

Actually six, but who's counting. Could be eight if Bills and Fu'a were healthy

pittsburghcoug

10/19/14 11:47pm

Yep! This is the problem. Our coaches stink at coaching up/developing players.

kansascougar

10/20/14 7:30am

The only problem with this argument is that our "not very good" players got us

westsidecoug

10/19/14 11:12pm

I was focusing primarily on the defensive talent in this post

jhingman

10/19/14 11:35pm

I think we have an FCS d line.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:13pm

LOL opposing teams have a 2.85 YPC rushing average. I'd hate to see D1

Blugar

10/19/14 11:29pm

But no pass rush

Cosmo Kramer

10/19/14 11:31pm

That's understandable considering how poor the teams we have played are at

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:31pm

Look, if you just play good run defense the entire time without EVER worrying

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:32pm

I seem to recall a lot of our pass rushers and cover guys going down.

Blugar

10/19/14 11:34pm

Coaches can make calls that don't expose player weaknesses

2FarGone

10/19/14 11:14pm

Spot on

kotacoug

10/19/14 11:25pm

But the system is perfect. No need to change a perfect system.

Cosmo Kramer

10/19/14 11:31pm

This is a nice thought, but the reality is different

jhingman

10/19/14 11:50pm

Everything is predictable and telegraphed

kotacoug

10/20/14 12:08am

Fajardo knew where the blitz was coming from on every play

BYU '80

10/20/14 4:58am

This is said every time BYU loses, but there is little proof.

Blugar

10/19/14 11:15pm

Bogus. They aren't NFL guys, but they are better than the crap USU and Reno

The Lone Wolf

10/19/14 11:17pm

They may be bigger, but they sure as heck aren't faster.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:19pm

Is our lack of speed why our 5th string RB averaged 12 yards/carry?

Blugar

10/19/14 11:22pm

I'm talking about D line. I think we have excellent talent at RB,

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:24pm

3-4 is supposed to have "heavy" DL. LBs should have the speed.

Blugar

10/19/14 11:25pm

We have the worst linebacking group since before Lavell.

TSH_Rapid_Resp_Team

10/19/14 11:26pm

Totally agree with you on stout and Pikula painfully slow

kotacoug

10/20/14 12:10am

or you can not be so lopsided and blame both.

southernfriedcougar

10/19/14 11:21pm

If the last 3 losses were to Alabama, Oregon, and Florida State, then you'd have

AndyDwyer

10/19/14 11:22pm

This is a ridiculous argument... Pittsburgcoug nailed it

kotacoug

10/19/14 11:24pm

RE: The reason for BYU's failure is very simple: The players aren't very good

fan32

10/19/14 11:24pm

Wow. Bronco Clevlandhall must be the most unlucky guy on the planet...

swingcat

10/19/14 11:34pm

You do realize I said the blame for recruiting is squarely on the coaches?

jhingman

10/19/14 11:40pm

Look, pal. There's a lot of negative responses to the OP because it was a

swingcat

10/19/14 11:48pm

I'd love for you to show a logical response as to how it was a poor point

jhingman

10/20/14 12:03am

OK. I'll give it a try...

swingcat

10/20/14 1:48am

Hey, that was better than I expected

jhingman

10/20/14 9:20am

It comes off as a defense of the coaches pretending to be a slight criticism

CougarEatU

10/20/14 1:58am

(fart sound)

FILIKU

10/20/14 4:38am

Flip your logic around: the measure of a good coach is best made when he/they

unctoothman

10/20/14 6:24am

Put Bronco in charge of D and watch, automatic improvement guaranteed

jonnnylingo

10/20/14 9:15am

In reality, the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The players we now have

Real Men Wear Blue

10/20/14 9:31am

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