That is what happens when you base your success on a running QB with

Oct 22, 2014
8:17:38am

Walter Bellhaven

An average to above average OL and WRs that can't get open. The injury to Taysom was unfortunate but putting all your eggs in that basket isn't smart.

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Walter Bellhaven

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Why are fans giving Dave Rose a pass?

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:07am

because he is not Bronco. And very few fan bases can hate both FB & BB coaches.

BlueFrog

10/22/14 8:08am

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Acorn

10/22/14 8:24am

You're putting the cart before the horse, it's football season. Let's cross that

CougarBuckeye-BYUI

10/22/14 9:22am

You're not going to convince anyone of Bronco's greatness by bashing Rose

BlueK

10/22/14 8:09am

I'm not saying Bronco's great or Rose is lame. I'm saying they're the same

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:10am

Yes you are

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:14am

You missed "I'm actually strongly on the Dave Rose bandwagon...

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:25am

Saying that after running down his major accomplishments and exagerrating his

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:33am

welcome to Bronco's life on CB!

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:35am

I dont think those who have gone after Bronco have turned around and proclaimed

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:43am

the sports are not the same, so good comparisons are not really possible

BlueK

10/22/14 8:14am

Because basketball isn't football.

IGlowInTheDark

10/22/14 8:10am

Great logic … but how is it really that different? Is losing to Loyola

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:13am

In basketball you can lose to the worst team in the country...

IGlowInTheDark

10/22/14 8:14am

not only that, but the nature of the game is different and makes those kinds of

BlueK

10/22/14 8:18am

So the lack of a football inclusive playoff means Bronco is a worse coach?

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:20am

The best way I can sum up your comparison is like this:

IGlowInTheDark

10/22/14 8:21am

The Jimmer season bought Rose more time. Bronco hasn't had a season like that

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 8:11am

This would have been Bronco's Jimmer season if Taysom hadn't been injured

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:14am

That is what happens when you base your success on a running QB with

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 8:17am

Very true! I think we all knew it was only a matter of time he could potentially

Chazz Reinhold

10/22/14 8:25am

You're right. It was dumb of Rose to put all of his eggs and shot attempts in

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:27am

Is that an accurate comparison? Be honest.

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 8:29am

All that shooting may have worn out Jimmer's arm. Just as predictable as a

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:45am

My point is all of Rose's eggs were in that one basket, as evidenced by

runnincoug

10/22/14 9:51am

But there is far less chance that that fails than a running QB

Walter Bellhaven

10/22/14 10:13am

Sure, I agree with everything you said. My main point is that the Jimmer team

runnincoug

10/22/14 11:23am

Rose has plenty of critics on this board

concolor couguar

10/22/14 11:25am

Re: Rose doesn't have the benefit of a Lavell Edwards who came in, won a NC

Schultz is back

10/22/14 8:22am

To be honest, I think he has done a pretty poor job as of late.

thebruce

10/22/14 8:12am

also, even if we had Taysom, our team still wouldn't be a legit top 10 team.

thebruce

10/22/14 8:16am

Rose's defense was a train wreck too that year, and Bronco has beaten Texas

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:18am

his defense was solid that year. Jackson, KC, Abouo, Hartsock, and even Davies

thebruce

10/22/14 8:29am

Defense was top 3 in the conference if you consider pace

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:30am

Wait are you talking 2011? or last year?

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:31am

You're right, I got my years mixed up. It was after that year that D went down

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:36am

I was referring to the defense last year. It was average last year given pace

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:42am

Fire Dave Rose!

Blueto

10/22/14 8:12am

1. Rose is more personally like-able than Bronco.

shoganai

10/22/14 8:14am

I really think this is it…if we admit it, it's just because Rose is easier to

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:17am

If this was Bronco's first chance at a "Jimmer" season then you'd have a point.

shoganai

10/22/14 8:22am

It just seems petty to say, "Fire the coach because, er, he doesn't love me"

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:23am

That does seem petty. Who said that?

shoganai

10/22/14 8:24am

If you admit that we don't like Bronco because of his personality instead of

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:26am

Very few people on CB want to fire Bronco.

shoganai

10/22/14 8:30am

They did a poll on this. I actually think it's like 50/50, and the 50% wanting

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:31am

I don't think it's 50-50.

shoganai

10/22/14 8:33am

agreed. its performance. i don't care how many firesides he holds. and even

johnnycarson

10/22/14 8:32am

RE: 1. Rose is more personally like-able than Bronco.

Twin Roots

10/22/14 8:17am

Wait, you mean missing personnel matters?

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:21am

RE: Wait, you mean missing personnel matters?

Twin Roots

10/22/14 8:31am

(rose won 2 tourney games without davies and was a hair from the final 4)

johnnycarson

10/22/14 8:34am

BYU football isn't about the coaches and players, it's about the fans

OpusX

10/22/14 8:17am

I agree that I wish he was better about this, but do we want a coach or a PR guy

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:21am

Football>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bas ketball

byutx

10/22/14 8:19am

If you were at Duke, you wouldn't think that. Neither would I.

OpusX

10/22/14 8:21am

Look at the numbers, Duke Football still makes more than double what Duke

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:21am

Duke fans don't care more about Duke football. The money comes from P5

BlueK

10/22/14 8:27am

and yet, in the last few years, they've learned how to play the foosball

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:28am

And The Lego Movie made a bunch more money than 12 Years a Slave

OpusX

10/22/14 8:29am

I'd rather watch The Lego Movie than Duke Basketball... talk about a snooze fest

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:34am

Why do you think you get to decide how other people esteem various sports?

byutx

10/22/14 8:29am

This... when Basketball stinks, BYU loses maybe $1MM.... When Football stinks

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:21am

so it's just about money? In that case, let's let Holmoe decide if Bronco is ok

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:22am

It's always about Money... P5 vs G5 is all about money

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:22am

In that case, in looking for a new coach, let's make marketability the

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:29am

holy cow, seriously... re-read what you just posted. Edit it before I respond...

TheDeek

10/22/14 8:36am

There is not really much that separates Rose and Bronco at this point

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:21am

Every Rose has its thorn

braddahmike

10/22/14 8:27am

Because he had cancer.

John Doe

10/22/14 8:28am

there's something to be said for this. Rose won the media overcoming that

runnincoug

10/22/14 8:30am

But he's also the best basketball coach we've ever had

BlueK

10/22/14 8:38am

Dave Rose's coaching tree at least has a head coach in it.

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:34am

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roseyscenario

10/22/14 8:44am

Rose and Bronco are both fine coaches and both deserve more support

Coogar2

10/22/14 8:47am

He only has to be one of the 64 teams selected

BYU4eVeR

10/22/14 8:48am

64/340 = top 18% in D1. I guarantee Bronco would be very well liked if his teams

BlueK

10/22/14 8:50am

3 years since his last conference championship and he is actually really

concolor couguar

10/22/14 8:53am

Has Dave Rose ever lost 8 straight games? That right there is the equivalent to

sandtrapcougar

10/22/14 8:55am

Rose more effective for the greater mission?

roseyscenario

10/22/14 8:57am

Very different sports. Should be winning much more given the talent in

Jam Master J

10/22/14 8:59am

Fans can make lame excuses about PR skills and so forth

Indy Coug

10/22/14 9:00am

I would be thrilled with a top 25 finish. That is my measure for Bronco and it

concolor couguar

10/22/14 9:02am

Yes, exactly.

runnincoug

10/22/14 9:58am

Great write up. I'm 100% on board with your thoughts

nslscougar

10/22/14 9:20am

I like the way Rose substitutes for the most part. I hate the way bronco deals

budYu

10/22/14 9:31am

Yes, let's just criticize anyone and everyone whenever they lose...

cougarnerd

10/22/14 9:47am

It's fair. They are professionals, we can criticize them because we pay $$ to

thebruce

10/22/14 9:50am

On the player development issue it is much easier to make the NFL than NBA

Blue Cougar

10/22/14 10:55am

Still, Bronco has had stars in the NFL, legitimate stars. And yet we say he

runnincoug

10/22/14 11:24am

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