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Oct 23, 2014
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BlueFrog

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BlueFrog

Bio page: BlueFrog
Joined: Sep 5, 2010
Last login: Feb 17, 2021
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POLL: You hear a noise in the middle of the night, you grab your gun to

Mister P

10/23/14 9:46am

I have a really heavy baseball training bat .... I'd rap him pretty good with

Jhayes

10/23/14 9:47am

If I live in a state where I'm not required to retreat or give warning when

supertux

10/23/14 9:49am

You would be ok shooting and killingan unarmed 14 year old looking for some cash

Jhayes

10/23/14 9:53am

Yes. You don't know the intentions of the person but you know they

CrackerJack

10/23/14 9:57am

RE: Yes. You don't know the intentions of the person but you know they

BlueFrog

10/23/14 9:58am

That's a significantly different situation.

CrackerJack

10/23/14 10:00am

dead is dead. RIP PopPop

BlueFrog

10/23/14 10:01am

Outcome is the same but how you get there makes all the difference.

CrackerJack

10/23/14 10:02am

Totally different scenario. Breaking into my house is not the same as knocking

supertux

10/23/14 10:00am

Not remotely the same situation.

spoxjox

10/23/14 12:01pm

If it was a 14yo kid I still wouldn't warn him that I have a gun. If he was

supertux

10/23/14 9:58am

I think the chances of them running away after hearing you have a gun are far

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:01am

Are you willing to bet your life, and your family's lives, on that?

CrackerJack

10/23/14 10:01am

Stop trying to marginalize the danger of home intrusion.

SandYFan

10/23/14 10:04am

I think you are marginalizing the effects of ending someones life. Especially

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:09am

In every case it can be avoided...IF THE PERSON DOESN'T BREAK IN.

supertux

10/23/14 10:14am

Obviously, but like I said you would be the one living with the guilt of killing

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:25am

The toll it would take if anything happened to my family (regardless of whether

supertux

10/23/14 10:27am

I totally get and agree with that. I just think steps should be taken to not

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:30am

I agree. The steps I take are locking and alarming my doors and windows.

supertux

10/23/14 10:32am

This is right on. They made the effort by stealth or brute force to break in..

Cachanilla83

10/23/14 10:41am

Exactly. Any guilt I would have would be orders of magnitude less than the

workindev

10/23/14 10:32am

I would rather live with the regret of killing an intruder than live with the

k-ace

10/23/14 10:33am

Thats fine, I guess I'll scare them off and you can shoot first and ask question

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:36am

If you have a shotgun, just rack in a shell. Then you have both sides covered.

supertux

10/23/14 10:39am

What is plan B if your attempts to scare them off only succeed in alterting them

workindev

10/23/14 10:41am

What is your plan if you start a shootout in your own home? Where your family

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:45am

Keep shooting until I can't anymore. Let me guess, you'll keep shouting until

supertux

10/23/14 10:47am

Exactly, this isn't the movies. You've got kids and a wife in much greater

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:50am

My plan is to be a good shot so they don't get the chance to shoot back

workindev

10/23/14 11:43am

I think your opinion is perfectly fine as people need to make their own choices

Cachanilla83

10/23/14 10:47am

I love reading true crime stuff, I'll check it out.

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:51am

Read it in full daylight before going to bed.

Cachanilla83

10/23/14 10:56am

RE: I think you are marginalizing the effects of ending someones life.

Northwest Cougar

10/23/14 10:42am

If you break into someone's home, all bets are off.

SandYFan

10/23/14 10:00am

You may be guilty of murder in Utah if you shoot an intruder without warning.

Cougar-Duck

10/23/14 10:03am

This is my point. It doesn't take much to satisfy that law. If someone forcibly

supertux

10/23/14 10:12am

If there's a jury that would convict someone of murder for that

SandYFan

10/23/14 10:12am

I read through that quickly so I might have missed something..

Cachanilla83

10/23/14 10:55am

Except that home intrusion is not a forcible felony. But robbery and

Cougar-Duck

10/23/14 11:22am

Home Intrusion May not technically be forcible felony.

Cachanilla83

10/23/14 11:32am

If someone breaks into your home, it's likely that you will believe they are...

CougaReb

10/23/14 11:34am

Offenses against Property. I think that's the proper term.

Cachanilla83

10/23/14 11:34am

And who is going to tell the cops there was no warning given?

frontrowcougar

10/23/14 1:02pm

Have I been threatened in the past? Am I drunk? Am I famous and often fear for

TheDeek

10/23/14 9:56am

Ha! This has nothing to do with him. I was just curious to see what most would

Mister P

10/23/14 9:59am

My solution:

frontrowcougar

10/23/14 10:01am

A large knife would make a quicker resolution.

Y2k

10/23/14 10:01am

Michael Myers?

TNT

10/23/14 10:11am

Crocodile Dundee

Cougar-Duck

10/23/14 10:22am

are we assuming that you identify the intruder first?

IndependentGeorge

10/23/14 10:04am

I assume we know it's not a girlfriend using the bathroom.

Y2k

10/23/14 10:06am

...but if in doubt, just empty your magazine through the bathroom door.

CougaReb

10/23/14 11:37am

Yes. I used "intruder" to imply you don't know them at all.

Mister P

10/23/14 10:07am

Get my kids and have them help me shoot the intruder.

unctoothman

10/23/14 11:56am

You never warn them you have a gun. You tell them to stop and leave.

OldCosmo

10/23/14 12:17pm

Good post, thats what I was getting at but in a much worse way.

Jhayes

10/23/14 12:21pm

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