This is my point. It doesn't take much to satisfy that law. If someone forcibly

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Oct 23, 2014
10:12:04am

supertux

This is my point. It doesn't take much to satisfy that law. If someone forcibly

enters your home, how hard is it to reasonably believe that you or your family is in danger or the intruder is going to commit a felony? Obviously if you don't believe this to be the case, you aren't going to feel the need to shoot them. The law makes sense in Utah. Many states require you to flee before ever using deadly force, which I think is crazy.

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Previous username: Hot Extrusion
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POLL: You hear a noise in the middle of the night, you grab your gun to

Mister P

10/23/14 9:46am

I have a really heavy baseball training bat .... I'd rap him pretty good with

Jhayes

10/23/14 9:47am

If I live in a state where I'm not required to retreat or give warning when

supertux

10/23/14 9:49am

You would be ok shooting and killingan unarmed 14 year old looking for some cash

Jhayes

10/23/14 9:53am

Yes. You don't know the intentions of the person but you know they

CrackerJack

10/23/14 9:57am

RE: Yes. You don't know the intentions of the person but you know they

BlueFrog

10/23/14 9:58am

That's a significantly different situation.

CrackerJack

10/23/14 10:00am

dead is dead. RIP PopPop

BlueFrog

10/23/14 10:01am

Outcome is the same but how you get there makes all the difference.

CrackerJack

10/23/14 10:02am

Totally different scenario. Breaking into my house is not the same as knocking

supertux

10/23/14 10:00am

Not remotely the same situation.

spoxjox

10/23/14 12:01pm

If it was a 14yo kid I still wouldn't warn him that I have a gun. If he was

supertux

10/23/14 9:58am

I think the chances of them running away after hearing you have a gun are far

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:01am

Are you willing to bet your life, and your family's lives, on that?

CrackerJack

10/23/14 10:01am

Stop trying to marginalize the danger of home intrusion.

SandYFan

10/23/14 10:04am

I think you are marginalizing the effects of ending someones life. Especially

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:09am

In every case it can be avoided...IF THE PERSON DOESN'T BREAK IN.

supertux

10/23/14 10:14am

Obviously, but like I said you would be the one living with the guilt of killing

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:25am

The toll it would take if anything happened to my family (regardless of whether

supertux

10/23/14 10:27am

I totally get and agree with that. I just think steps should be taken to not

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:30am

I agree. The steps I take are locking and alarming my doors and windows.

supertux

10/23/14 10:32am

This is right on. They made the effort by stealth or brute force to break in..

10/23/14 10:41am

Exactly. Any guilt I would have would be orders of magnitude less than the

workindev

10/23/14 10:32am

I would rather live with the regret of killing an intruder than live with the

k-ace

10/23/14 10:33am

Thats fine, I guess I'll scare them off and you can shoot first and ask question

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:36am

If you have a shotgun, just rack in a shell. Then you have both sides covered.

supertux

10/23/14 10:39am

What is plan B if your attempts to scare them off only succeed in alterting them

workindev

10/23/14 10:41am

What is your plan if you start a shootout in your own home? Where your family

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:45am

Keep shooting until I can't anymore. Let me guess, you'll keep shouting until

supertux

10/23/14 10:47am

Exactly, this isn't the movies. You've got kids and a wife in much greater

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:50am

My plan is to be a good shot so they don't get the chance to shoot back

workindev

10/23/14 11:43am

I think your opinion is perfectly fine as people need to make their own choices

10/23/14 10:47am

I love reading true crime stuff, I'll check it out.

Jhayes

10/23/14 10:51am

Read it in full daylight before going to bed.

10/23/14 10:56am

RE: I think you are marginalizing the effects of ending someones life.

Northwest Cougar

10/23/14 10:42am

If you break into someone's home, all bets are off.

SandYFan

10/23/14 10:00am

You may be guilty of murder in Utah if you shoot an intruder without warning.

Cougar-Duck

10/23/14 10:03am

This is my point. It doesn't take much to satisfy that law. If someone forcibly

supertux

10/23/14 10:12am

If there's a jury that would convict someone of murder for that

SandYFan

10/23/14 10:12am

I read through that quickly so I might have missed something..

10/23/14 10:55am

Except that home intrusion is not a forcible felony. But robbery and

Cougar-Duck

10/23/14 11:22am

Home Intrusion May not technically be forcible felony.

10/23/14 11:32am

If someone breaks into your home, it's likely that you will believe they are...

CougaReb

10/23/14 11:34am

Offenses against Property. I think that's the proper term.

10/23/14 11:34am

And who is going to tell the cops there was no warning given?

10/23/14 1:02pm

Have I been threatened in the past? Am I drunk? Am I famous and often fear for

TheDeek

10/23/14 9:56am

Ha! This has nothing to do with him. I was just curious to see what most would

Mister P

10/23/14 9:59am

My solution:

10/23/14 10:01am

A large knife would make a quicker resolution.

Y2k

10/23/14 10:01am

Michael Myers?

TNT

10/23/14 10:11am

Crocodile Dundee

Cougar-Duck

10/23/14 10:22am

are we assuming that you identify the intruder first?

IndependentGeorge

10/23/14 10:04am

I assume we know it's not a girlfriend using the bathroom.

Y2k

10/23/14 10:06am

...but if in doubt, just empty your magazine through the bathroom door.

CougaReb

10/23/14 11:37am

Yes. I used "intruder" to imply you don't know them at all.

Mister P

10/23/14 10:07am

Get my kids and have them help me shoot the intruder.

unctoothman

10/23/14 11:56am

You never warn them you have a gun. You tell them to stop and leave.

OldCosmo

10/23/14 12:17pm

Good post, thats what I was getting at but in a much worse way.

Jhayes

10/23/14 12:21pm

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