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Nov 22, 2014
10:05:09pm

CalGTR

Cool. What you want is exactly what is already happening. It's like a lot of you

think that Bronco is running sunday school every day instead of practice, or that coaches break out their books of mormon in the meeting rooms. Bronco can talk up the unique aspects of BYU till he's blue in the face, and it doesn't mean that anything is being taken away from any football development.

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CalGTR

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I'm sick of the "Bronco is teaching young men to be men" sentiment.

11/22/14 9:20pm

He's doing what he was asked to do by the brethren, perhaps to a fault.

Duke Silver

11/22/14 9:23pm

He can absolutely assist them in becoming men, but he is paid a lot of money

vacougfan

11/22/14 9:26pm

so are the Professors at BYU only focused on the subject they teach?

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:29pm

Their research and then their teaching

concolor couguar

11/22/14 9:43pm

not spiritual growth? Thought they had a prayer at the start of class?

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:49pm

i would say less than 25% start with a prayer

concolor couguar

11/22/14 9:50pm

ha ha ... ok ... then we can just disagree. That is what prayer would tell me

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:54pm

ha ok well bronco can stop at opening prayers at games then

concolor couguar

11/22/14 9:58pm

you do know BYU is a church sponsored school right? Why does the focusing on

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:09pm

The real question is how, specifically, does the focus on spiritual matters take

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:16pm

I don't think it does. But I think it attracts a different kind of kid. Kids

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:40pm

At BYU, we understand the unique aspects of the school and the benefits and

CalGTR

11/22/14 11:07pm

I'm actually not bothered by it at all but you

concolor couguar

11/22/14 11:28pm

At BYU, he was not hired just to win football games

2FarGone

11/22/14 9:32pm

RE: At BYU, he was not hired just to win football games

unctoothman

11/22/14 9:56pm

I agree, but I think he was asked to be a spiritual leader

2FarGone

11/22/14 10:02pm

Spiritual leader is too strong of a term. He was asked to run a clean program,

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:25pm

Specifically, what does Bronco need to stop doing in the spiritual area so that

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:07pm

I like that aspect because it improves our recruiting profile,

Shimmy

11/22/14 9:26pm

So if you sent your kids to BYU to get a degree in Accounting - would you care

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:27pm

I would want them to graduate fully qualified in accounting.

k-ace

11/22/14 9:34pm

that is fair ... but by your own post you said you just want him to win and dev

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:45pm

I don't think my expectations are too high.

k-ace

11/22/14 9:51pm

I agree with what you said - my mistake ... thought you wrote original post

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:56pm

RE: I'm sick of the "Bronco is teaching young men to be men" sentiment.

BYURider

11/22/14 9:28pm

Because obviously the players family's, friends, and church leaders aren't.

11/22/14 9:29pm

I'm with you. I know it's "more important", but I'm a fan of a football team not

8man

11/22/14 9:32pm

Here's my take on BYU and lower expectations

franklyvulgar

11/22/14 9:39pm

That sentiment is actually pretty common in football not just at BYU.

SCcoug

11/22/14 9:39pm

The best way to teach young men how to be men is to teach them to do their job.

unctoothman

11/22/14 9:54pm

I have sat in players meetings and coaches meetings there and if you think that

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:00pm

I'm not saying how it is or isn't.

unctoothman

11/22/14 10:35pm

The other team is doing all they can to win as well. Some times BYU just isn't

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:43pm

Cool. What you want is exactly what is already happening. It's like a lot of you

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:05pm

The lack of NFL draft picks and the mediocre on-field performance

k-ace

11/22/14 10:12pm

what should the winning % be? How many draft picks should there be?

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:16pm

Definitely should have at least as many draft picks as USU. And winning %

k-ace

11/22/14 10:23pm

Maybe so, but how are you able to determine that the spiritual aspects of

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:18pm

I think you are right. I don't think the problem is the focus on spirituality.

k-ace

11/22/14 10:25pm

That's where the focus should be as far as fan criticism is concerned - legit

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:45pm

almost always comes down to talent. You don't think the talent pool available

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:46pm

Sorensen couldn't even sniff the 2 deep at BYU and ended up in the NFL after

k-ace

11/22/14 11:16pm

good points

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 11:20pm

There are always misses that can be pointed to at every program. I actually

CalGTR

11/23/14 12:01am

Two things: First, as SCoug pointed out, developing young men is actually a very

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:01pm

Agree - it would be like fans of Harvard saying "I just want to win - forget

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:19pm

Yes, sort of. I get what you're saying about the fabric of the school. The big

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:29pm

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