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Nov 22, 2014
10:35:41pm

unctoothman

I'm not saying how it is or isn't.

I haven't sat in mtgs and I would have no reason to doubt you or others who have.

I'm glad that winning the THE focus. It should be. In a way I wish that wasn't true, though...then there would be something to ascribe the poor year to. If winning has been #1 all year and yet this is the outcome, then it further reinforces to me that the coach and those around him are not getting the job done.

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unctoothman

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I'm sick of the "Bronco is teaching young men to be men" sentiment.

11/22/14 9:20pm

He's doing what he was asked to do by the brethren, perhaps to a fault.

Duke Silver

11/22/14 9:23pm

He can absolutely assist them in becoming men, but he is paid a lot of money

vacougfan

11/22/14 9:26pm

so are the Professors at BYU only focused on the subject they teach?

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:29pm

Their research and then their teaching

concolor couguar

11/22/14 9:43pm

not spiritual growth? Thought they had a prayer at the start of class?

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:49pm

i would say less than 25% start with a prayer

concolor couguar

11/22/14 9:50pm

ha ha ... ok ... then we can just disagree. That is what prayer would tell me

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:54pm

ha ok well bronco can stop at opening prayers at games then

concolor couguar

11/22/14 9:58pm

you do know BYU is a church sponsored school right? Why does the focusing on

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:09pm

The real question is how, specifically, does the focus on spiritual matters take

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:16pm

I don't think it does. But I think it attracts a different kind of kid. Kids

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:40pm

At BYU, we understand the unique aspects of the school and the benefits and

CalGTR

11/22/14 11:07pm

I'm actually not bothered by it at all but you

concolor couguar

11/22/14 11:28pm

At BYU, he was not hired just to win football games

2FarGone

11/22/14 9:32pm

RE: At BYU, he was not hired just to win football games

unctoothman

11/22/14 9:56pm

I agree, but I think he was asked to be a spiritual leader

2FarGone

11/22/14 10:02pm

Spiritual leader is too strong of a term. He was asked to run a clean program,

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:25pm

Specifically, what does Bronco need to stop doing in the spiritual area so that

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:07pm

I like that aspect because it improves our recruiting profile,

Shimmy

11/22/14 9:26pm

So if you sent your kids to BYU to get a degree in Accounting - would you care

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:27pm

I would want them to graduate fully qualified in accounting.

k-ace

11/22/14 9:34pm

that is fair ... but by your own post you said you just want him to win and dev

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:45pm

I don't think my expectations are too high.

k-ace

11/22/14 9:51pm

I agree with what you said - my mistake ... thought you wrote original post

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 9:56pm

RE: I'm sick of the "Bronco is teaching young men to be men" sentiment.

BYURider

11/22/14 9:28pm

Because obviously the players family's, friends, and church leaders aren't.

11/22/14 9:29pm

I'm with you. I know it's "more important", but I'm a fan of a football team not

8man

11/22/14 9:32pm

Here's my take on BYU and lower expectations

franklyvulgar

11/22/14 9:39pm

That sentiment is actually pretty common in football not just at BYU.

SCcoug

11/22/14 9:39pm

The best way to teach young men how to be men is to teach them to do their job.

unctoothman

11/22/14 9:54pm

I have sat in players meetings and coaches meetings there and if you think that

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:00pm

I'm not saying how it is or isn't.

unctoothman

11/22/14 10:35pm

The other team is doing all they can to win as well. Some times BYU just isn't

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:43pm

Cool. What you want is exactly what is already happening. It's like a lot of you

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:05pm

The lack of NFL draft picks and the mediocre on-field performance

k-ace

11/22/14 10:12pm

what should the winning % be? How many draft picks should there be?

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:16pm

Definitely should have at least as many draft picks as USU. And winning %

k-ace

11/22/14 10:23pm

Maybe so, but how are you able to determine that the spiritual aspects of

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:18pm

I think you are right. I don't think the problem is the focus on spirituality.

k-ace

11/22/14 10:25pm

That's where the focus should be as far as fan criticism is concerned - legit

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:45pm

almost always comes down to talent. You don't think the talent pool available

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:46pm

Sorensen couldn't even sniff the 2 deep at BYU and ended up in the NFL after

k-ace

11/22/14 11:16pm

good points

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 11:20pm

There are always misses that can be pointed to at every program. I actually

CalGTR

11/23/14 12:01am

Two things: First, as SCoug pointed out, developing young men is actually a very

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:01pm

Agree - it would be like fans of Harvard saying "I just want to win - forget

Chandler Cougar

11/22/14 10:19pm

Yes, sort of. I get what you're saying about the fabric of the school. The big

CalGTR

11/22/14 10:29pm

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