Losing to bYu=non P5 bad loss=harder to be ranked

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Nov 29, 2015
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Modiolus

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Bronco's record versus end of season ranked opponents

donnerstag

11/29/15 9:33am

That's not a good record. How does it compare to every other coach?

Beggar

11/29/15 9:34am

And every other coach not named Urban or Nick

keithcoug

11/29/15 9:36am

Winning 1 in 8 isn't good even when compared to peers

donnerstag

11/29/15 9:38am

You going to provide some data/examples to support what you're saying?

Westsider

11/29/15 9:41am

ok, give % for Whittingham, Gary Anderson, some coaches

Beggar

11/29/15 9:42am

Here are some comparables

donnerstag

11/29/15 9:47am

Home vs away?

Beggar

11/29/15 9:54am

This is huge.

Blue Cat

11/29/15 9:58am

Feel free to run the query on each coach you want

donnerstag

11/29/15 10:04am

I'm just providing context.

Blue Cat

11/29/15 10:14am

So about 50% of the losses were road games....hmmm

kotacoug

11/29/15 10:19am

How was Boise for neutral games?

Deleted

11/29/15 10:42am

And you didn't even compare bsu road games.

Deleted

11/29/15 10:42am

Query All Coaches At Once

boxedlunch

11/30/15 3:07pm

Ouch.

thebruce

11/30/15 3:16pm

Ken Nuimatalolo....0-13 and many others worse

Modiolus

11/30/15 3:40pm

2-5 isn't good either

Deleted

11/29/15 10:09am

It isn't bad either.

Blue Cat

11/29/15 10:20am

wait...they all coach P5 schools

byukarl

11/29/15 9:56am

Patterson/Peterson did most of their damage at G5 schools in the data

thebruce

11/29/15 10:47am

And those that aren't p5 got to p5 status

BYU '80

11/29/15 11:26am

Only 7 games at home.

Blue Cat

11/29/15 9:36am

Ouch. Id be happy with 40%. Tough games to win.

Turnpike Lane

11/29/15 9:36am

Lavell won 24% of his games against such competition

Blue Cat

11/29/15 9:44am

1 in 4 games is much better than 1 in 8 (almost 9)

donnerstag

11/29/15 9:48am

not even the same comparison

byukarl

11/29/15 9:52am

You mean like Boise and TCU?

donnerstag

11/29/15 9:55am

They are also fair comparisons based on recruiting

Turnpike Lane

11/29/15 10:06am

TCU has an honor code? recruiting comparisons aren't easy to make

acougfan

11/29/15 10:10am

Stop using honor code excuse. It's lame.

Turnpike Lane

11/29/15 10:14am

I wasn't making excuses and was just stating it to show it makes comparisons

acougfan

11/29/15 10:21am

I wasn't comparing Lavell to Bronco

Blue Cat

11/29/15 9:53am

game is different now

byukarl

11/29/15 9:49am

3-23 is now a great job?

Turnpike Lane

11/29/15 9:56am

While this is very anemic, teams are in the top 25 because they don't lose many

Cougarrrs

11/29/15 9:40am

RE: While this is very anemic, teams are in the top 25 because they don't lose

byukarl

11/29/15 9:43am

Losing to bYu=non P5 bad loss=harder to be ranked

Modiolus

11/29/15 9:45am

And lavells?

Cougarrrs

11/29/15 9:46am

He won a NC and top 10 finishes.

slowhiteguy

11/29/15 9:59am

He also did that in the wac.

Cougarrrs

11/29/15 10:05am

My point is that people should not compare him to Bronco. Bronco has not done anything close to Lavell even with the

slowhiteguy

11/29/15 10:09am

That's much different than what bronco has had?

macaroni

11/29/15 10:32am

Top 25 teams usually have 2 losses or fewer, losing to BYU can often be enough

Duke Silver

11/29/15 9:47am

I think he has the ability to change this but he would need to change his approach. He takes the blame for losses but he

slowhiteguy

11/29/15 10:02am

Bronco's P5 Record since independence:

Bgash

11/29/15 10:26am

P5 wins were against bottom dweller teams for the most part

donnerstag

11/29/15 10:28am

Agreed. I'm not thrilled with these results. Plus this is with BSU type

Bgash

11/29/15 10:31am

BYU is 2-2 with BSU

thebruce

11/29/15 10:37am

Yeah I need to update for this year. DONE.

Bgash

11/29/15 10:38am

Yeah, and 12-16 isn't going to cut it as Indy.

Kerbouchard

11/29/15 12:30pm

Well, if we beat them, that 1 extra loss makes it much harder to be ranked

viper

11/29/15 10:47am

Same for other schools who have better records vs these teams

Deleted

11/29/15 10:52am

Not always true if it's a team on the fringe.

Beggar

11/29/15 10:53am

Which is why it is only fair to compare bronco with other coaches %

thebruce

11/29/15 10:55am

Do teams that lose to BYU suffer loss of morale and go into a tailspin?

Sandstone Cougar

11/29/15 10:57am

They do when we knock out their Heisman winning QB.

Superman21

11/29/15 2:29pm

Bronco is so amazing, how could anyone ever beat that record?

SBJ

11/29/15 11:43am

Geesh, and the wins aren't even that great.

ag4cougs

11/29/15 1:08pm

You realize that teams that end the season ranked, win nearly all of their games

Freddie Cougar

11/29/15 1:26pm

That's why BYU doesn't end the seasons ranked.

slowhiteguy

11/29/15 1:28pm

You never miss an opportunity to take your shot do you.

Freddie Cougar

11/29/15 1:30pm

Irony alert.

slowhiteguy

11/29/15 1:55pm

Still clueless, I see.

Freddie Cougar

11/29/15 1:56pm

About as clueless as you.

slowhiteguy

11/29/15 2:01pm

Bad excuse for the 3-23 record

SBJ

11/29/15 2:34pm

It's not an excuse, it's a reality

Freddie Cougar

11/29/15 6:16pm

How many of the 26 opponents...

BYU'01

11/29/15 8:30pm

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