I’m irrationally mad at BYU / leadership right now. Or maybe it is rational. But seriously, quit lying to us.

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Feb 8, 2016
1:29:35pm

Ragnar Danneskjold On work release.

I’m irrationally mad at BYU / leadership right now. Or maybe it is rational. But seriously, quit lying to us.

I’m beating a dead horse, but if you don’t want to allow caffeinated soda on campus, just say so. Say “it isn’t in line with the culture we are trying to cultivate”, or “we feel it is unhealthy for the students”, or heck, even “we believe it is against the Word of Wisdom”. But “there’s no demand” is a bold-faced lie. As in, Orwell’s 1984 quality of lie.

If I can’t trust you to be honest on the simple things, how am I supposed to trust you on the difficult things?

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Ragnar Danneskjold

Previous username: CougarSkye
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I’m irrationally mad at BYU / leadership right now. Or maybe it is rational. But seriously, quit lying to us.

Ragnar Danneskjold On work release.

2/8/16 1:29pm

Think like BYU (and NOT like the rest of the world). BYU is NOT going to

ByuMba90

2/8/16 1:32pm

BYU--no caffeine, but always ready to sell us our sugar fix. They should just...

Otara

2/8/16 3:11pm

I pretty much agree with this. The BruceRMcConkie generation has not fully

ByuMba90

2/8/16 3:27pm

Yes, the sugar in non-diet cola is much worse for you than the caffeine, it...

k2coug

2/8/16 9:44pm

Really? Where was that stated?

run26

2/8/16 10:54pm

Delayed reaction much? Tomorrow will we read a post

gwalker

2/8/16 1:32pm

How is an ongoing issue a delayed reaction?

2/8/16 1:33pm

Did BYU make a recent announcement or statement?

gwalker

2/8/16 1:33pm

For the record, I'm pro caffeine on campus.

gwalker

2/8/16 1:33pm

Your reaction time is really slow

KingDave

2/8/16 1:33pm

Caffeine should help with that

Tsisquan

2/8/16 2:41pm

people will say that this is no big deal

run26

2/8/16 1:33pm

This is exactly it.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 1:34pm

yep, akin to the clinton lying scandal

Deleted

2/8/16 2:00pm

So what would you have them say?

Tricky

2/8/16 2:01pm

I honestly think they are more worried about the image it will create...

2/8/16 2:04pm

here's what they should say if they are being honest

run26

2/8/16 2:08pm

You can be my spokesman. Carrie is not ready for the job.

HighHorse

2/8/16 1:34pm

I wish they would say "Everyone who drinks caffeine is going to hell."

Caboom

2/8/16 1:36pm

is this a reverse post?

korihor

2/8/16 1:37pm

P.S. you were initially correct with your thought...."irrational".

ByuMba90

2/8/16 1:44pm

It is bad form, especially when they don't back it up with anything.......

Bonoman

2/8/16 1:51pm

They are the same folks that love to say "ticket prices haven't gone up in years

Bert609

2/8/16 1:55pm

They shouldnt slap fees on there and lie about price but otoh byus prices for

2/8/16 2:10pm

This line was thrown out by Samuelson. But he's

soupie

2/8/16 1:56pm

As of this writing, out of 474 who have read your post, you have 11 who have

ByuMba90

2/8/16 2:08pm

So CB th'up and POTD is noted for supporting a cause outside of CB?

AndyDwyer

2/8/16 2:17pm

Nope just one indication of a level of support among BYU fans, many of whom are

ByuMba90

2/8/16 2:44pm

So you really feel there is no demand for caffeinated soda at BYU?

AndyDwyer

2/8/16 2:50pm

If that's what you got out of my responses then I'm so sad for your elementary

ByuMba90

2/8/16 2:55pm

RE: If that's what you got out of my responses then I'm so sad for your

AndyDwyer

2/8/16 3:02pm

it isnt even one indication

Deleted

2/8/16 2:50pm

Fifty minutes later and still hovering around 2.4%. Not a good start for a

ByuMba90

2/8/16 3:07pm

That's a terrible indicator, In my marketing class of 700 the professor

califcougar

2/8/16 3:09pm

Like I said, BYU doesn't listen to "surveys" when enough people are buying

ByuMba90

2/8/16 3:31pm

They do surveys quite frequently about their offerings but, yeah

califcougar

2/8/16 4:41pm

That wasn't what you said. You said the response to this specific rant by RD

Dagny Taggert

2/8/16 7:21pm

True, I've responded to several threads and subthreads on this issue this

ByuMba90

2/8/16 7:56pm

I may not be passionate about the cause on February 8, 2016...

Sirrinem

2/8/16 3:45pm

So you don't trust BYU leadership. Just out of curiosity

kcca

2/8/16 2:17pm

Oh, my tuition is many, many years in the past. It's just a plead for integrity at this point.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 2:20pm

let me ask you: has BYU been honest about this issue?

run26

2/8/16 2:21pm

I'm one who does not believe there is no demand. Neither do I believe that BYU

RebelScum

2/8/16 10:10pm

How is Carrie BYU leadership? She is a BYU employee

TNT

2/8/16 2:32pm

Check the Barq's root beer

CBaass

2/8/16 2:38pm

I believe in Utah the bottler does not add caffeine. Elsewhere, it does.

vegasnative

2/8/16 2:42pm

This would actually be a third-party endorsement of the whole "low demand"

2/8/16 4:00pm

Or "you can't sell that on campus unless it is caffeine free" model.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 11:59pm

when Barq's first came out, it had caffeine in Utah.

VACOUGFAN

2/8/16 6:22pm

Agreed. It is about honesty. Don't make a reason up.

macdizzle

2/8/16 3:08pm

I've never thought that statement was a lie. Rather,

rocker

2/8/16 3:33pm

You're delusional if you really think most LDS parents are anti-caffeine

cougarbart

2/8/16 4:35pm

You're an idiot if you really think thats what I said.

rocker

2/8/16 4:38pm

And this really bothers you? Or are you just trying to change their position?

zia cougar

2/8/16 5:10pm

My real complaint is integrity and honesty. I expect it.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 5:28pm

"Integrity" to not spin the answer or to see it in the light most favorable to

zia cougar

2/8/16 5:59pm

What would the rationale be behind not selling?

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 7:03pm

So really your beef is their decision to not sell caffeinated drinks. Maybe

zia cougar

2/8/16 7:26pm

Take what you thought I said and take the opposite.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 7:31pm

George Orwell 1984 ^^^^

run26

2/8/16 7:33pm

Should an institution have to sell something they choose to not sell?

zia cougar

2/8/16 9:29pm

You're asking the wrong questions

run26

2/8/16 9:34pm

And yet you think they have a duty to describe their motives in your terms?

zia cougar

2/8/16 9:44pm

No, but an institution enforcing an honor code should not lie.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/9/16 12:00am

With any decision, you have to do a cost/benefit analysis

2/8/16 7:57pm

Agreed. But I'd probably, and truthfully, say it doesn't align with BYU's culture.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 8:03pm

But publicly stating a different reason doesn't make them liars

2/8/16 8:25pm

It does.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 9:03pm

Boy, you weren't kidding about that whole "irrationally mad" thing

2/8/16 10:21pm

Apparently.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 11:56pm

All they need to do is rephrase 'no demand' to 'not sufficient demand'

BluebloodOR

2/8/16 5:16pm

A Church leader stated in general conference that caffenated cola was...

k2coug

2/8/16 9:34pm

We got one going to St. Louis !

sundance

2/8/16 9:48pm

I've made the argument that there really is "no demand". Hear me out...

El Jefe

2/8/16 11:03pm

You think that's what miss Jenkins meant by "no demand"?

run26

2/8/16 11:21pm

I can see what your saying, but I still feel let down that BYU skirts the issue with a half-baked story and expects us

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 11:55pm

Hilarious that people care so much. And now they say it's not the soda it's the

Cochise Cat

2/9/16 8:38am

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