Not sure how you can call them established.

And yes, Sitake and Tuiaki built what currently is and recently has been at Utah. How can that be denied? They literally did. A school doesn't simply stay a factory of something. Coaches, recruiting, and philosophies come and go. And we're talking about a MWC school here, not a storied traditional power. What you saw before was also against MWC schedules. Why any Ute would try to downplay what they did, I don't know... The attempt to do it in order to claim you were previously awesome is just crazy.

I also never said it would cut into Utah. The topic is about BYU working their DL up to be close or on par. I would expect Utah to continue to find guys and develop them. But we're talking about BYU now getting those TYPE of guys and building it up. Not talking about BYU straight up stealing guys from Utah and Utah not being able to get anything to replace them. They do and they will continue to, especially for academic reasons.

All I said was BYU is stealing guys Utah really wants there. And not just Utah but others. Combine that with the two guys who (for your sake I'll play along), kept Utah's DL alive and as well as ever. It's not going to take long.