With the bad shoulder before the pain set in. Great heart, but trapped in an inadequate physical frame.

I lived in Philly when he was starting QB for Eagles in 96. They went on 4-0 run with big wins over Dallas and Carolina. Never forgot his moxy in win over Carolina, when he threw 4 tds. He got crushed pretty hard on a sack by a Panther DE and jumped right up in the dudes face: "Nice hit, but you can keep bringing it cause I'll be back here and keep flinging it!" Philly fans loved that Shiz....I still have my Detmer Eagles jersey..