Crowton went 12-2 with Lavell's guys and then three straight losing seasons.

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Oct 11, 2017
8:46:53pm

BlueForLife All-American

He brought excitement, a change, but longterm he was not meant to be a head coach.

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BlueForLife

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I find it funny that most Ty Detmer apologists want others to set aside logic

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:36pm

Mike Leach

DirtyWater

10/11/17 8:38pm

What about him?

sgriff

10/11/17 8:39pm

EXACTLY! Broke the P12 passing record in his 2nd year.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:39pm

Went 9-4 last year

BYURider

10/11/17 8:39pm

1-5(6) and basically dead last in offense isn't enough for you?

sgriff

10/11/17 8:40pm

10-10 after this Saturday.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:40pm

Well finish season close to where we finished

BYURider

10/11/17 8:43pm

I doubt that. What makes you think that we are going to catch up to last year?

sgriff

10/11/17 8:46pm

And last year wasn't that great for the offense anyway.

sgriff

10/11/17 8:48pm

Schedule

BYURider

10/11/17 9:06pm

I can wait until the end of the year. I'd prefer a mid season adjustment, but

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:40pm

I thought those were "bronco's recruits" though? Now that the team is

CB4

10/11/17 8:42pm

Crowton went 12-2 with Lavell's guys and then three straight losing seasons.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:46pm

The offense wasn't good last year either

thebruce

10/11/17 8:45pm

^This^

sgriff

10/11/17 8:47pm

It's like giving the defense credit for the 11-2 record in 2001

thebruce

10/11/17 8:50pm

^^^ this ^^^

nashty

10/11/17 8:48pm

Detmer apologists don't have a monopoly on anti-logic

BlueBlood

10/11/17 8:44pm

Exactly! It's not like Detmer is sticking to the same script hoping it'll work.

ManicBlue

10/11/17 9:41pm

and some are in his control. Lets be clear that no one is disputing that.

BlueBlood

10/11/17 9:44pm

What exactly would you do differently that he hasn't tried?

ManicBlue

10/11/17 10:13pm

Well, there are a few things, mostly guesses

BlueBlood

10/11/17 10:33pm

RE: Well, there are a few things, mostly guesses

ManicBlue

10/11/17 11:03pm

sure, but an experienced OC should be better at that kind of thing

BlueBlood

10/11/17 11:07pm

RE: sure, but an experienced OC should be better at that kind of thing

ManicBlue

10/11/17 11:51pm

The passing game probably looks great in practice against this defense.

cougaman

10/12/17 2:13am

Prediction - Ty will be OC in 2018

BYURider

10/11/17 8:45pm

My Prediction: if that happens Kalani will be Fired in December 2018.

Hawk Talons

10/11/17 8:52pm

So if BYU went 11-2, theyd fire Kalani? Really?

BYURider

10/11/17 10:17pm

Predictions wont be useless if the staff stays the same

MikeDitka'sStache

10/12/17 7:59am

Our losing in Royal uniforms far predates Ty and people still try to deny that.

BYUtka

10/11/17 8:47pm

I get your point, but explain the issues. What is wrong?

Turnpike Lane

10/11/17 8:47pm

What isn't wrong would have a shorter answer.

sgriff

10/11/17 8:49pm

You didn't answer the question.

Refugee

10/12/17 6:18am

Results

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:53pm

Those are anecdotes. What is wrong?

Turnpike Lane

10/11/17 9:17pm

Lots of things that point back to Ty.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:24pm

they knew Ula was the best back. He was injured, he COULDN'T play, and still isn't in great game shape

BlueBlood

10/11/17 9:29pm

They said nothing all off-season about Ula being number 1 if he wasn't injured.

BlueForLife

10/12/17 7:50pm

I believe they said that Burt had an injury and was just cleared by Dr's last w/

SUAVO

10/11/17 9:43pm

Yep, and when we finally get the scheme right, then...

HalftimeAdjustment

10/11/17 8:50pm

Wait, aren't you the guy who said this?

PJMort

10/11/17 8:51pm

And this is relevant how?

Hawk Talons

10/11/17 8:54pm

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PJMort

10/11/17 8:56pm

Fine, but I fail to see how it relates to this topic

Hawk Talons

10/11/17 9:00pm

It's relevant because I'm in a bad mood. Sorry. ;(

PJMort

10/11/17 9:03pm

Yep! I would argue that Tanner, an elite 11 qb, and with proper coaching, is a

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:02pm

I predict you are someone that doesn't pay a lot of attention to stats...true?

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:09pm

First you label, then you predict. You must be great with the women.

PJMort

10/11/17 9:14pm

Show me results to argue your point. You like to make personal jabs. Fight back!

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:16pm

RE: Show me results to argue your point. You like to make personal jabs. Fight

PJMort

10/11/17 9:55pm

As much as I hate the current record, I knew I'd have to be patient when they picked Ty.

DapperDan

10/11/17 8:52pm

Really? I don't remember many people saying we would have to be patient. Did

Hawk Talons

10/11/17 8:56pm

Many people were thinking it, but there were a lot of the "fire bronco" crowd

SUAVO

10/11/17 9:08pm

You should listen to what Drage said on Criddle's show this afternoon

BlueBlood

10/11/17 8:58pm

Ty is also the QB coach so poor QB play is on him too.

sgriff

10/11/17 9:02pm

Who should take the blame?

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:07pm

Ty should. I thought we agreed on that.

sgriff

10/11/17 9:09pm

Sorry! I meant to respond to the guy you responded to.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:14pm

Detmer, Taysom, Heaps, Beck (early years), Anae, etc. BYU fans are never happy.

cougsrule

10/11/17 9:13pm

I was somewhat happy with Bronco even as a regular 8-5, 9-4 coach.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:17pm

Detmer critics don't know nearly as much as they seem to think

Mises

10/11/17 9:17pm

^ what this guy said

BlueBlood

10/11/17 9:21pm

I admit that I don't get to see practices each day, and the conversations, but

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:27pm

when you are determined to blame one guy, you can find all the evidence you want

BlueBlood

10/11/17 9:30pm

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 10:28pm

Yeah, what an idiot for not playing Ula when he was injured, right? Totally missed on that eval.

BlueBlood

10/11/17 10:34pm

Not arguing to play Ula. And he was not listed as the best back until a few

BlueForLife

10/11/17 10:38pm

but

BlueBlood

10/11/17 10:41pm

They didn't list him as a starter because he wasn't going to start.

BlueBlood

10/11/17 10:45pm

If detmer didn't hire the position coaches, that is the fault of tom

idacoug

10/11/17 9:39pm

Sorry, this is KS's team and his problem.

coolblue

10/12/17 6:51am

People who disagree with you don't use logic?

Abe Froman

10/11/17 10:05pm

There is truth in this. Reality is this: the best OC we've had in past 10+ years

Coug Dude

10/11/17 10:26pm

Very true!

BlueForLife

10/11/17 10:43pm

That's why he's a D1 coach and you're on a message board

Borg

10/11/17 10:50pm

How is Sitake getting away scott free?

cougarmikey

10/12/17 2:28am

I do think Sitake is also to blame, but it is highly unlikely that Sitake would

BlueForLife

10/12/17 6:39am

Don't know what you consider an apologist but I prefer patience to reaction. I'm

ImuaKahuku

10/12/17 5:20am

K, Nice move on the apology for Ty and Kalani. That was funny!

BlueForLife

10/12/17 6:53am

Go read this article, if you haven't already. My perception is that Ty is not

BlueForLife

10/12/17 7:02am

Problem is he shouldn't be trying to "figure" it out. Additionally the problem

ImuaKahuku

10/12/17 10:50am

I feel that 19 games is enough of a gauge for us to know if Ty has potential or

BlueForLife

10/12/17 4:21pm

I'm not really a Detmer apologist but I think it's dumb to draw conclusions based on a superficial analysis of things

buffgato

10/12/17 7:21am

Whats superficial about the stats I have added throughout this chat? Results

BlueForLife

10/12/17 4:22pm

I'm saying you need two things - results may be a start, but you have to know why

buffgato

10/12/17 6:16pm

Not sure you read this post I added above:

BlueForLife

10/12/17 7:44pm

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