This is the problem currently. I agree the play calling is just fine. The problem is in coaching players to do the right

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Nov 20, 2017
9:29:39am

The Dude Abides The royal we.

This is the problem currently. I agree the play calling is just fine. The problem is in coaching players to do the right

things to make a play successful. Bronco understood really well how to pull this off. I’ll give the guy credit. He knew how hard it is to win a college football game and how perfect you have to be for a play to work.

Somehow the part of coaching that combines discipline with effort and instinct is severely lacking. Great coaches know how to get inferior players to excel.

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Norm Chow just said the playcalling

BYURider

11/20/17 8:13am

Great coaches get great execution from their players.

Baron

11/20/17 8:14am

This is the problem currently. I agree the play calling is just fine. The problem is in coaching players to do the right

The Dude Abides

11/20/17 9:29am

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^X 1 hundred billion.

CObluezone

11/20/17 9:37am

Crowton was a phenomenal playcaller

keylimesoda

11/20/17 9:46am

"I'd rather win by nine than by two". Yup, great play caller.

Soy Celeste

11/20/17 10:34am

Tough to know what to think about a guy who takes things out of context.

Eddie

11/20/17 11:00am

there's nothing out of context with that statement Crowton made. it was pathetic

mindzeYe

11/20/17 11:51am

It was 'that mentality' that caused us to snatch defeat from the jaws of

Soy Celeste

11/20/17 12:35pm

I'm pretty sure we agree

mindzeYe

11/20/17 1:10pm

Sure - if you just take the statement.

Eddie

11/20/17 3:13pm

Uhh...by what standard is that true? Not even close to true.

BlueTooth

11/20/17 1:49pm

Croutons problem was not Xs and Os, it was in execution.

keylimesoda

11/20/17 11:19pm

After going to the game saturday and watching in person, I tend to agree it's

SoValleyCOUG

11/20/17 9:51am

Developing players is coaching for sure.

wilsdad

11/20/17 5:24pm

So you are saying small and simple things are the solution?

Heinz57

11/20/17 9:20pm

You can only make a Prius go so fast.

blackshirts

11/20/17 9:52am

That's norm chow, definitely doesn't know anything about coaching d1 football.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:15am

Norm Chow was relavent 15-20 or even more years ago. The game has passed him

kotacoug

11/20/17 8:22am

A coach is still a coach and regardless of the Xs and Os of the game nowadays

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 8:25am

Get out of here with those hate facts.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:26am

What you mention is the DIRECT result of poor coaching and lack of leadership.

kotacoug

11/20/17 8:27am

You misunderstood what he said.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:28am

Certainly you don't think there is hustle, effort and passion out there

kotacoug

11/20/17 8:31am

Norm chow thought so.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:50am

Haha... Norm Chow's career HC record is 10-36 you really hanging your hat on

kotacoug

11/20/17 9:23am

Haha, he was the assistant coach of the year in 99. Yes I trust he knows what a

Phcole

11/20/17 9:39am

You are making yourself sound very ignorant here.

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 10:03am

When was the last time Chow had a really successfully offense? 2004

kotacoug

11/20/17 12:43pm

Just wondering... How many Heisman Trophy winners have you coached?

CougarThug

11/20/17 1:46pm

The fact Chow has had abysmal offensive results the last 13 yrs has nothing to

kotacoug

11/20/17 3:44pm

Because being a coach and evaluating a game are two different things.

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 7:17pm

That may be, but I am just discussing the ability of Norm Chow in evaluating

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 8:32am

And do you really think he's going to say anything negative lol

kotacoug

11/20/17 9:17am

Absolutely.

TheLoneCougar

11/20/17 10:01am

Not with his guys. Completely different. Ty and Sitake are his

kotacoug

11/20/17 10:29am

Failure since 2004? What planet do you live on?

11/20/17 8:52am

Haha the planet that Chow got fired from the Titans, UCLA, Utah,

kotacoug

11/20/17 12:15pm

DPOTD

Uncle Bluto

11/20/17 10:50am

Haaaaaha nice....here's a post for you to check out

kotacoug

11/20/17 12:50pm

That, or Norm's just coverin for his boyz.

mantis mutu

11/20/17 8:59am

Probably the case

kotacoug

11/20/17 9:18am

Throw 45 times with a freshman against a terrible run D? Norm is nuts.

Turbine

11/20/17 8:17am

Yep. More CBers who are better at understanding football than lifetime coaches.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:20am

But it’s Norm Chow... old cbers could predict his third down calls back in the

Polecat

11/20/17 8:23am

Ty's offense is ranked 125. Shutup cougarboard, Ty is terrible at his job.

Turbine

11/20/17 8:35am

I don’t think he’s defending Ty. He’s just saying CB consistently thinks they

Polecat

11/20/17 8:46am

Meantime your opinion combined with a nickel is still worth only 5 cents

CougarThug

11/20/17 1:52pm

I can't stand this argument. Just because we aren't coaches doesn't mean we dont

IronPotato

11/20/17 9:35am

I coached HS Football for 30 years

ALC

11/20/17 10:31am

While I agree at k3ast testing the 8 and 9 man front in the run game

11/20/17 8:48pm

BYU was down 2 scores for about 1/3rd of the game, so there's your 45 passes

Indy Coug

11/20/17 8:22am

Yeah, BYU was slinging it on every play to start the game.

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 8:27am

It's a lot more nuanced than that.

Phcole

11/20/17 8:35am

Had we run more, Joe would not have been getting sacked

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 9:04am

What you linked is not nuanced at all. It's a birds eye view. Here's nuance:

Phcole

11/20/17 9:35am

Your stats are wrong

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 9:58am

I'm looking at the espn play by play right now.

Phcole

11/20/17 10:03am

Uh, did you watch the game? And never down more than 2 scores leaves time to run

Turbine

11/20/17 8:34am

Wrong. First half BYU had 22 passes to 10 runs. They were either tied or

byubyu

11/20/17 8:38am

This. CB defending Ty is ludicrous.

Turbine

11/20/17 8:42am

But look closer. A lot of those pass plays were forced by critchlow getting

Phcole

11/20/17 8:44am

If you run the ball, you can't get sacked.

11/20/17 9:40am

So your argument is that we should have only run the ball. Got it.

Phcole

11/20/17 9:43am

Not at all. Look at the actual stats.

11/20/17 9:50am

Excluding the two minute drill we ran on 5 first downs and passed on 4.

Phcole

11/20/17 10:02am

Your point? The point still stands.

11/20/17 10:05am

My point is that outside of one drive, the run wasn't working well.

Phcole

11/20/17 10:13am

The outcomes of run/pass suggest that running was still our best bet

11/20/17 10:50am

A few completions opens the run game up. That's the strategy.

Phcole

11/20/17 12:36pm

Even before this game, people on here and in the media were predicting

11/20/17 10:04am

Because Critchlow was getting sacked. Way too many passing plays early.

boscatar

11/20/17 9:48am

It was only 3 -0 at halftime.

kahuna

11/20/17 2:43pm

I don't even care about that... it's just a proven at this point that what ever

kotacoug

11/20/17 8:25am

UMass had eight in the box most of the game and was daring Critchlow to beat

P-Boy Squad

11/20/17 8:31am

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CalGTR

11/20/17 1:18pm

This. Impossible to successfully "just run the ball." With no passing game to fear, they sold-out on stopping the run.

CalGTR

11/20/17 1:19pm

Norm objectively covering for his boyz Ty & Kalani. How sweet.

mantis mutu

11/20/17 8:34am

If Anae were OC there'd be far better execution...

NorCal_Coug

11/20/17 8:35am

Norm Chow is wrong: No Awareness of how to attack UMass defense

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 8:38am

they stacked the box

11/20/17 8:53am

Wrong! I counted mostly 7 man fronts

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 9:02pm

We arent an option team. Those teams entire backfields would

11/21/17 4:02am

While I hate Ty's scheme, Norm is right.

mudpupper

11/20/17 8:42am

Ty went completely away from Squally for a full quarter

CougarsFanSince80s

11/20/17 8:44am

Which was particularly ridiculous given their biggest DL weighed 274 -- & their

mantis mutu

11/20/17 9:11am

What I've been saying all along. It's not the scheme. It's everything else.

GOR

11/20/17 8:44am

Well, that is still 100% on the coaches

idacoug

11/20/17 8:48am

Right but is Detmer the problem? Or HC/culture/discipline?

GOR

11/20/17 8:55am

Impossible to pinpoint but looks more and more to me like it's coming from the top. Could be wrong.

Refugee

11/20/17 8:57am

Last game was the worst called game of the year for Detmer imo. Detmer has his

cougaman

11/20/17 8:54am

Where is Norm coaching theses days? Has he been any good in the past decade? If he knew what was going on he'd be in a

sgriff

11/20/17 8:57am

Chow is 71 and likely not looking for a full time gig any more.

CougarThug

11/20/17 2:17pm

I’ll admit - I’m all over the place with my thoughts on this team...

truecougster

11/20/17 9:21am

Playcalling is fine, players aren't executing. Why is that so hard to believe?

11/20/17 9:30am

That is fine for a game or two. What is the definition of insanity?

11/20/17 9:41am

Ty has adapted a LOT this year to work with what he has.

GOR

11/20/17 10:00am

It is the OCs job to get them to execute. Calling plays is not #1 task for OC.

fulano

11/20/17 9:47am

I know. Just don't know why they think Chow is wrong.

11/20/17 10:12am

I think he is right. Of course, execution needs to be taught and coached

Bob Vance

11/20/17 10:06am

If you are calling plays your team can't execute then it's bad play calling.

SpiffCoug

11/20/17 10:51am

At game #12 on the season it sure is, anyways.

mantis mutu

11/20/17 1:07pm

1. Yeah he wouldn’t be bias about Ty. 2. Playcalling is only one responsibility

11/20/17 11:26am

i'm shocked that a guy who runs a similar offense from 1982 is supportive of the current scheme. that being said, he is

macaroni

11/20/17 11:57am

Norm Chow has run a variety of offenses.

CougarThug

11/20/17 2:20pm

RE: Norm Chow just said the playcalling

BlueTroop

11/20/17 12:22pm

Have Norm explain the 2nd down playcalling in the first half

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 12:33pm

The coaches job is to get the players to execute. It's still on the coaches.

fulano

11/20/17 1:51pm

Coaches have to stay on the sidelines. They can't do it all.

CougarThug

11/20/17 2:21pm

I am confident this is true. But there is a critical component missing.

BlueTooth

11/20/17 1:58pm

No one posting in this thread knows a fraction about running an offense

11/20/17 2:15pm

According to the OP, Norm said he has "no idea what...happened on Saturday"

11/20/17 2:19pm

I'm sure Young, Detmer, Rivers, Palmer, and Leinart would all agree with you.

CougarThug

11/20/17 2:25pm

I never said he got lucky or doesn't know anything.

11/20/17 2:30pm

I trust the stats more than coachspeak

HawkeyeCoug

11/20/17 2:48pm

Sorry, but if you watched the Fresno game, UMASS was way better defensively

braddahmike

11/20/17 6:02pm

That’s funny, because today in coordinators corner TY said he came out too

yapacoug

11/20/17 6:19pm

Kalani said the same thing on the coaches show. There goes that narrative.

11/20/17 6:22pm

"We"ve got to be more agressive" " we were too agressive!"...

11/21/17 4:07am

Struggling with reading comprehension, are we?

Phcole

11/20/17 6:31pm

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