Holding the ball longer on O keeps the opponent's score down, but isn't better D

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Dec 7, 2017
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How much better is BYU's defense this year?

Indy Coug Misunderstood

12/6/17 10:50pm

We were probably about 50th until the 2nd half of tonight’s game

SingleStrapBackpack

12/6/17 10:52pm

1st half or 2nd half? JK. Yea. That's a depressing stat. What about offense?

soupie

12/6/17 10:52pm

Improvement so far. 86th last year 63rd right now.

JuicyJam

12/7/17 5:57am

They are much better in two key areas

nephicoug

12/6/17 10:58pm

Their effective FG% defense is 2.5% worse this year and 3pt% defense is 3.5% worse

Indy Coug

12/6/17 11:05pm

I’m not sure the attempts mean much.

bstod

12/6/17 11:24pm

a lot of analytics guys think 3pa is a great defensive measure. Having teams

4mack

12/6/17 11:32pm

The key stat is defensive efficiency (preferably adjusted to strength of

thebruce

12/6/17 11:37pm

agree on all counts

4mack

12/6/17 11:40pm

He reported it as 3PA/FGA. Seems that normalizes for pace.

JuicyJam

12/7/17 5:59am

Exactly

nephicoug

12/7/17 9:42am

I raised that question this morning. Not really sure the answer.

TCuz

12/6/17 11:05pm

I think BYU's defense has improved from where it was to start the season

Indy Coug

12/6/17 11:06pm

I'm not saying that BYU won't end up being better than last year once the season is done

Indy Coug

12/6/17 11:08pm

Where was BYU's defense at this point in the season last year?

Archaea

12/7/17 9:55pm

I think there are a lot of narratives at play here too.

TCuz

12/6/17 11:10pm

I've seen people post about this 100 times on the board.

JuicyJam

12/7/17 6:01am

There has to be something limiting 3s that isn't caught statistically.

shimmy

12/6/17 11:05pm

Last year, 32.6% of our opponents' points came from 3s. This year, it's 29.4%

Indy Coug

12/6/17 11:07pm

I would have guessed a much bigger delta. wonder if it will increase over the year with more WCC teams.

shimmy

12/6/17 11:12pm

what were they at this point last year?

macaroni

12/6/17 11:18pm

That isn't available, but eyeballing individual game efficiencies from last year

Indy Coug

12/6/17 11:22pm

Pomeroy takes into account how bad our opponents are. This schedule is really

thebruce

12/6/17 11:21pm

It's not worse than last year's

Indy Coug

12/6/17 11:23pm

Last year's was bad too. But the schedule top to bottom including conf last

thebruce

12/6/17 11:26pm

But taking this back to the OP, since Pomeroy adjusts for SOS, this is largely irrelevant.

Indy Coug

12/6/17 11:28pm

I was making a different point than you altogether.

thebruce

12/6/17 11:34pm

About 8-10 points per game on average

Cougrrrs Roll

12/6/17 11:53pm

I'm curious how many fewer possesions there are each game. Our offense is

Kugmo

12/7/17 12:39am

that is definitely part of it

SingleStrapBackpack

12/7/17 1:20am

BYU is allowing 1.2 fewer points per 100 possessions, but the nation as a whole is allowing 1.4 fewer

Indy Coug

12/7/17 6:08am

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roseyscenario

12/7/17 5:54am

I thought the shots were contested until we got up by about 12. Then we didn't

BYUheaven

12/7/17 6:35am

Not much intensity the last 15 minutes.

Oldcougfan

12/7/17 7:31am

Yeah, i was mostly wrong about the first half. Watched more closely, and many 3s

roseyscenario

12/7/17 5:47pm

Felt last night's performance was fools gold. Great they got the win but there

soupie

12/7/17 8:12am

Two flaws with this troll job

Coop

12/7/17 7:17am

BYU was 62nd in FG% defense last year and 51st in 3pt% defense

Indy Coug

12/7/17 7:26am

I agree we weren’t as bad last year as it seemed

Coop

12/7/17 7:33am

Yes, I'm not making future projections with this thread, and there are reasons to believe

Indy Coug

12/7/17 7:34am

Holding the ball longer on O keeps the opponent's score down, but isn't better D

Coogar2

12/7/17 11:49am

That's actually irrelevant for these more advanced measurements being cited

ArchbishopMitty

12/7/17 12:09pm

What I am seeing on D is something that is probably hard to quantify. The guard

Ash

12/7/17 12:27pm

I agree, the ranking doesn't tell the whole story. Better effort is a thing.

ArchbishopMitty

12/7/17 4:39pm

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