BYU's relationship with the Church leads to some quirks

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Dec 7, 2017
2:06:49pm

panguitch Starter

BYU's relationship with the Church leads to some quirks

in organizational culture. When it comes to PR, I think there's an assumption that people should take things on faith and have confidence in BYU.

But BYU as an organization isn't entitled to that confidence in the same way the Church is.

I say this even though I have much greater confidence in BYU than I do in most organizations.

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BYU has a PR problem

Jersey hunter

12/7/17 12:05pm

Completely agree. Which is surprising b/c the church typically handles PR well.

Real Men Wear Blue

12/7/17 12:07pm

Sort of agree

12/7/17 12:23pm

i'd give them a C to C-...at best...

ds7

12/7/17 12:40pm

Yeah, you're being a bit kind. Silence is their/our friend.

mantis mutu

12/7/17 1:59pm

BYU has lost (or losing) the SLC, Davis County market due to poor marketing/PR.

12/7/17 1:39pm

Or due to the yewts improving and the proportion of LDS in those counties

SWP

12/7/17 2:49pm

I was driving to see my parents in Salem (near Spanish Fork)

12/7/17 3:18pm

Hardly...not beating your rival in a decade is much more of a factor

Iman23

12/7/17 7:01pm

Huh? I’d have to strongly disagree there

12/7/17 3:15pm

The church PR is Average at best - All BYU PR is terrible

newbie

12/7/17 6:26pm

The church handles PR well? Are you kidding?

Tsisquan

12/7/17 9:29pm

For example, they've done a great job re: the BoM Musical.

Real Men Wear Blue

12/8/17 9:57am

Can't beat em join em is common sense not GREAT PR

Tsisquan

12/8/17 12:57pm

Or maybe you're looking for something that doesn't exist based on your

basman

12/7/17 12:09pm

Like a nice press release about Ty thanking him and saying he is always a part

BYUfan92

12/7/17 12:11pm

He hasn't been fired though...

Coug

12/7/17 12:14pm

You’re playing semantics - he was relieved and it was bungled

Jersey hunter

12/7/17 12:18pm

That's not the same as being fired...

Coug

12/7/17 12:24pm

Then sit on the information until you are ready to 'fill the vacuum' vs. letting

12/7/17 2:48pm

Bungled? How? They announced he was fired. What more do you want?

SlantRoute

12/7/17 3:29pm

They didn't announce he was fired

SUAVO

12/7/17 5:27pm

When you’re the OC and then you’re not, you were fired.

SlantRoute

12/7/17 11:58pm

They're giving Detmer a chance to stay on the staff.

boscatar

12/7/17 1:42pm

And I loved the announcements for Houston and Hawaii football games.

boscatar

12/7/17 1:42pm

As somebody NOT in PR I agree with you - it seems we bungle a lot of things

BYUfan92

12/7/17 12:09pm

*almost everything

12/7/17 1:04pm

Agree completely

Goliath

12/7/17 12:10pm

And BYU has a top notch PR program. Turn the AD PR over to the Bradley Lab and they'd do a pretty good job. IMO

soupie

12/7/17 12:10pm

Very true - BYU PR alums are everywhere in top firms

Jersey hunter

12/7/17 12:13pm

As a BYU PR grad and PR guy for 20 years, this is very naive

12/7/17 12:21pm

Bradley lab has faculty oversight with real corp clients but thanks for taking me so literally. Didn't really

soupie

12/7/17 12:31pm

Thank goodness.

12/7/17 12:34pm

I still wouldn't turn it over to them. You know what they say:

12/7/17 12:35pm

Yes but many of the faculty did Do then came to BYU mid career. Also don't think it's a good idea

soupie

12/7/17 12:58pm

honest question: you think it would be worse than it is now?

Cougarclaw

12/7/17 12:53pm

Significantly. You wouldn't have PR advice coming from anyone

12/7/17 1:12pm

You are correct - do you have any time to moonlight?

Jersey hunter

12/7/17 2:11pm

Agreed. Question for you....

Clausewitz

12/7/17 12:12pm

That’s more marketing than PR - you sell benefits not features

Jersey hunter

12/7/17 12:14pm

it has been that way for 40 years....they seem to think it the right way to do

Nat Gas Man

12/7/17 12:13pm

Agree with you... but 40 years ago the news cycle and information flow was

12/7/17 2:53pm

I think the firing is the big PR problem. A short press release without any

Littlerich

12/7/17 12:13pm

Easily avoided by not hiring HC, OC and DC with no experience at their positions

Urbanite

12/7/17 12:14pm

Byu has has a public image problem since forever.

12/7/17 12:15pm

It’s about time to change then - I’m tired of us looking inept

Jersey hunter

12/7/17 12:16pm

“There is no demand” for that

SJS

12/7/17 12:24pm

Yeah, let's aspire to be like a P5 program - like maybe UTennessee!! 🙂

ByuMba90

12/7/17 12:28pm

for sure

12/7/17 1:02pm

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East1999

12/7/17 12:26pm

how high is the count now, that a p5 program has flat passed on us? 4 times?

12/7/17 12:59pm

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East1999

12/7/17 2:55pm

i agree...but in this particular situation, where other coaches are still

nashty

12/7/17 12:27pm

BYU has a losing problem

Sea Chicken

12/7/17 12:28pm

It's a Mormon problem. Don't talk about it and hope it will go away.

pink22

12/7/17 12:30pm

in their defense...most issues require a base level of knowledge/understanding

ds7

12/7/17 12:44pm

What specifically would you do? Interview candidates before announcing that

Ulysses14

12/7/17 12:33pm

Not so granular - just talk about process and timing

Jersey hunter

12/7/17 2:13pm

Honestly, it's mostly just a handful of PR conscious people who care

Ulysses14

12/7/17 5:12pm

This is true. A PR mentor of mine used to say:

12/7/17 8:18pm

Don't worry. I'm sure whoever manages PR for BYU is an outstanding Bishop.

yorksama

12/7/17 12:41pm

BYU traditionally likes to handle everything behind closed doors.

mudpupper

12/7/17 12:42pm

Absolutely!

2FarGone

12/7/17 12:48pm

If you can show me another situation at other institutions where the OC was

kotacoug

12/7/17 12:54pm

Bronco announced the rehire of Anae as OC, before a vacuum by firing Doman

Coogar2

12/7/17 12:57pm

RE: Bronco announced the rehire of Anae as OC, before a vacuum by firing Doman

kotacoug

12/7/17 1:12pm

Leads me to believe that a lot more is going on than simply Ty being reassigned. Curious that Holmoe and Kalani have

Bob Vance

12/7/17 12:58pm

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12/7/17 1:00pm

No, it has a losing problem. Win games, and nobody will care about the rest.

12/7/17 12:58pm

Water wet.

vagabonder

12/7/17 1:28pm

BYU's relationship with the Church leads to some quirks

panguitch

12/7/17 2:06pm

The blending of church and university adds a complex layer of politics you don't

franklyvulgar

12/7/17 2:45pm

As someone who also works in PR, you are very correct.

RUNBYU1

12/7/17 2:16pm

you still can't buy tickets on byutickets.com if you are logged in to your

Mayor of Cougartown

12/7/17 2:31pm

I just noticed this yesterday as I tried to buy basketball tickets.

12/7/17 3:33pm

I know someone who works with BYU in a B2B relationship and they're "different"

franklyvulgar

12/7/17 2:34pm

No time, BB Student section needs baby sitters....

blackshirts

12/7/17 3:23pm

I think they do fine. Have you seen the Tennessee mess? We’re far from that.

SlantRoute

12/7/17 3:24pm

You're right, we are ranked 129 out of 130 in crap pile mess...

blackshirts

12/7/17 3:30pm

Did they fir Detmer? I thought he was kept on staff. It would be pretty hard

Bullrider

12/7/17 4:01pm

it's semantics. If you were relieved of your job responsibilities ...

mindzeYe

12/7/17 11:49pm

LOL @ church owned entity being more transparent

Kerbouchard

12/7/17 4:02pm

BYU has a CB problem

swimbro

12/7/17 4:25pm

Well, yes. And your point is?

soupie

12/7/17 4:36pm

I agree. Our cornerbacks are traditionally mediocre at best.

12/7/17 9:20pm

I feel TH has done tremendous things as BYU AD

pappabear246

12/7/17 5:53pm

There is no demand for any updates.

timponyloco

12/7/17 6:36pm

As someone who doesn’t know hardly a thing about PR...

CB4

12/7/17 7:38pm

yes, our punt returners weren't very good last season.

icecougar

12/7/17 8:12pm

Actually I think it's a Stake Calling

icecougar

12/7/17 8:13pm

Ya think?

HowardH

12/7/17 8:30pm

Sounds like we have an AD problem.

blackshirts

12/7/17 9:45pm

longtime pro in ent/sports pr and couldn't agree more

mindzeYe

12/7/17 11:25pm

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