How so? Right there in black and white it puts athletics as (sonofchet)

Apr 30, 2012 - 9:31am

sonofchet

How so? Right there in black and white it puts athletics as

a priority before faith and character. I fully agree with academics being #1. At a university, that's the way it should be. They've got other parts of their lives that focus exclusively on the faith and character parts.

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Date

I guess I'm one of the "whiners" or at least that's the (loong)

sonofchet

Apr 30, 09:09am

Yes, you are a whiner. (nm)

SoCalCoug

Apr 30, 09:10am

RE: Yes, you are a whiner.

01inarow

Apr 30, 01:45pm

I have no idea what your talking about

youngster

Apr 30, 07:02pm

hinckley's #2 responsibility was to his employer? (short)

ds7

Apr 30, 09:13am

Himself (nm)

DapperDan

Apr 30, 09:14am

Ooh, you're so clever, you caught me being misleading.

sonofchet

Apr 30, 09:16am

It was his #2 priority for all of us, not just himself. (short)

Matthute

Apr 30, 01:04pm

Actually I think employer/job was #3.. after spouse (short)

Accipiter

May 1, 12:25pm

Link? I can't find the talk (nm)

Blue Cougar

May 1, 05:57pm

It wasn't a talk, it was a worldwide leadership training.

sonofchet

May 1, 06:00pm

That's why I couldn't find it, but it says fam #1, emp #2

Blue Cougar

May 1, 06:08pm

Think about it for a minute... on the team you have

Accipiter

May 1, 06:17pm

Agreed. It went wrong when Bronco created a list.

Matthute

May 1, 08:54pm

+1 - If we have to choose lists, I'll go with Pres. Hinckley

Blue Cougar

May 1, 10:09pm

I'm with Pres. Hinckley as well. (nm)

Matthute

May 2, 08:54am

That's not Bronco's priority list

Caboom

Apr 30, 09:18am

Well, Pres. Hinckley's list has church responsibilities

sonofchet

Apr 30, 09:23am

The mission of BYU athletics

Caboom

Apr 30, 09:28am

Seems like athletics comes before faith on that list too (nm)

DapperDan

Apr 30, 09:31am

Looks like the athletic department has football at #2 (nm)

foofcoug

Apr 30, 09:31am

How so? Right there in black and white it puts athletics as

sonofchet

Apr 30, 09:31am

I'm not saying that Bronco is perfect at it

Caboom

Apr 30, 09:54am

I think you did misunderstand. Like I said in the OP,

sonofchet

Apr 30, 09:56am

are those 2 things mutually exclusive ?

ManicBlue

Apr 30, 01:03pm

<< Deleted >> (nm)

IJustMussedMyPants

Apr 30, 12:08pm

At lease "athletics" is #2 for the Athletic Dept. #5 for

Matthute

Apr 30, 01:11pm

Please tell me you are kidding about him saying that? (nm)

Jkampana

Apr 30, 09:28am

Nope, the point he was trying to make is actually kind of a

sonofchet

Apr 30, 09:38am

you've articulated the position of the hsaru, jkampana,

ds7

Apr 30, 09:30am

He's articulated the position of a large contingent of the (short)

whoneedscorners?

Apr 30, 09:31am

we'd be better off without them...

ds7

Apr 30, 09:36am

Hint: programs aren't better off with fewer fans and donors (nm)

DapperDan

Apr 30, 09:38am

Really? LOL. (short)

whoneedscorners?

Apr 30, 09:40am

Haha, we've heard it all now. (nm)

messi

Apr 30, 09:41am

LOL.....ya the program would be better of getting rid of (short)

kotacoug

Apr 30, 09:44am

Oh wow (short)

Jkampana

Apr 30, 09:45am

yeah...

ds7

Apr 30, 09:48am

In that case (short)

Jkampana

Apr 30, 09:52am

how bout BYU change athletics to be year round EFY (short)

mottman

Apr 30, 09:47am

No temple recommend = can't buy tickets. (nm)

sonofchet

Apr 30, 09:47am

They need to add

Jkampana

Apr 30, 09:57am

Nominated. (nm)

sonofchet

Apr 30, 10:07am

Don't kid yourself. Your OP is POT decade. (nm)

getemcougs24

Apr 30, 03:15pm

And a lot of other people, too. (nm)

LittleTex

Apr 30, 09:45am

I consistently like half of those posters' posts, and often

russkiejedi

Apr 30, 06:05pm

Bronco is a wanna-be GA. He thinks of this as a calling

Matthute

Apr 30, 01:06pm

Football is a football player's job. PERIOD.

Blue Cougar

Apr 30, 02:29pm

Education and Football are their "job"

Accipiter

May 1, 01:27pm

Great post

Jkampana

Apr 30, 09:21am

Well said. (nm)

Zaphod

Apr 30, 09:22am

Congrats! I guess I am a whiner too! (nm)

TrueBlue67

Apr 30, 09:30am

The worst excuse: "We're unique"

Real Men Wear Blue

Apr 30, 09:32am

Agreed (nm)

Jkampana

Apr 30, 09:37am

Not a hijack, a good point. (nm)

sonofchet

Apr 30, 09:39am

If only we could nominate two posts... (nm)

Zach Morris

Apr 30, 09:44am

Awesome Post! POTD. (nm)

Zach Morris

Apr 30, 09:35am

Spot on! (nm)

kotacoug

Apr 30, 09:46am

So what should the priorities be?

Art Director

Apr 30, 09:49am

Well, for one thing, I rarely go home from work at 6PM.

sonofchet

Apr 30, 10:07am

I forgot to add: I get paid A LOT less than Bronco. (nm)

sonofchet

Apr 30, 10:08am

You didn't answer my question.

Art Director

Apr 30, 10:22am

I think I did answer it.

sonofchet

Apr 30, 10:29am

I don't think it is so much "the message" as it is in how it

TrueBlue67

Apr 30, 10:19am

I think people would give Bronco more of a pass on the

murrolems

Apr 30, 11:00am

Why talk about football as 5th priority?? Is that supposed

OhYePoorFools

Apr 30, 10:00pm

And yet it is only the fans who bring it up over and over (nm)

BYU-NorthIdaho

Apr 30, 10:05pm

I agree with what you have to say.

JAM3

Apr 30, 10:29am

Sigh. Perspective people!

cu-coug

Apr 30, 11:37am

FunkeCoug endorses this message. (nm)

FunkeCoug11

Apr 30, 11:54am

I agree! (nm)

IJustMussedMyPants

Apr 30, 12:09pm

Pasture is always Greener

Big Wally D

Apr 30, 01:38pm

Great for you=mediocre for me. (nm)

getemcougs24

Apr 30, 03:17pm

Bronco is BYU's version of Ron McBride for Utah

Matthute

Apr 30, 10:19pm

Maybe the lack of draft picks has something to do with the

cu-coug

Apr 30, 01:54pm

this is not really a very good argument. (nm)

erkimust

Apr 30, 01:56pm

RE: Maybe the lack of draft picks has something to do with

BYUcash

Apr 30, 02:12pm

so 1 player doesn't pan out...who else was supposed to be

cu-coug

Apr 30, 02:34pm

ONE player who has had multiple brothers play in the NFL...

BYUcash

Apr 30, 02:57pm

Agree and disagree

ManicBlue

Apr 30, 01:58pm

<< Deleted >> (nm)

Blue Cougar

Apr 30, 02:52pm

GREAT POST. No Draft Picks = Failure within the program (nm)

BYUcash

Apr 30, 02:06pm

Great post.I've thought about 5 priorities & Pres Hinckley'

Blue Cougar

Apr 30, 02:54pm

AGREE (nm)

BYUcash

Apr 30, 03:00pm

Very well said

checoug

Apr 30, 03:46pm

Great post! I relate. (nm)

SaintGeorgeYFan

Apr 30, 07:33pm

100% agree re bronco.... In fact I think it's gross

sundance

Apr 30, 08:35pm

Because our recruiting classes have been TERRIBLE since that (short)

russkiejedi

Apr 30, 09:55pm

Personally, I think your being a bit harsh here... perhaps

sundance

Apr 30, 11:39pm

This is a fantastic post. How could any reasonable mind

OhYePoorFools

Apr 30, 09:58pm

I want Bronco to have to repent for working too much and (short)

Taq man

Apr 30, 10:12pm

Like any other D-1 coach. I feel you. (long)

Matthute

Apr 30, 10:48pm

Like 90% of people who are making $250K+

palangi

May 1, 10:02am

Bronco makes between $500 and $1M per year.

Real Men Wear Blue

May 1, 11:29am

How much he makes is such a good point actually

Matthute

May 1, 01:28pm

Absolutely. What is Bronco making? $1mm give or take? (nm)

Matthute

May 1, 01:26pm

Did Bronco even act like he wanted them to come

Accipiter

May 1, 01:42pm

I don't know. I will ask them for you. I will say that

Matthute

May 1, 05:25pm

RE: I guess I'm one of the "whiners" or at least that's the

JuanitaCougar

May 1, 12:36pm

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