No, I agree with you on that. Pac 10/12 teams who go undefeated will more than likely finish in the top 4. I am saying that with USC and Oregon being top 5 caliber teams what are the chances Utah beats both of them and most likely having to beat Oregon twice? Just not seeing that as happening very often. I could see a year where the Pac 12 is down where Utah wins it by not going undefeated but maybe losing a couple of games, that would not be good enough for them to get in.