It would take some time to compile it, but definitely not as (Japan Coug)

Jul 11, 2012 - 10:51am

Japan Coug

It would take some time to compile it, but definitely not as

good as it is with returning senior QBs. The dark post-Doman Crowton years alone will ensure that the record is not as good.

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The facts about how BYU does with returning senior QBs (long)

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 12:51am

That's actually a great job of collecting data.

JamesDean

Jul 11, 12:56am

I dont' know about others, but my point has always been

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 01:28am

I get your point. I just don't agree with it.

JamesDean

Jul 11, 01:31am

How did he disregard the stocks / players

BYUFam1

Jul 11, 08:26am

Making an NFL team is not a magic line one crosses

HighHorse

Jul 11, 06:02am

always the hater (nm)

Jericho

Jul 11, 09:04am

I prefer 'realistic'

JamesDean

Jul 11, 09:29am

Whiner is not the same as "realistic"

Jericho

Jul 11, 10:03am

You disappoint me.

JamesDean

Jul 11, 10:26am

wrong again (nm)

Jericho

Jul 11, 10:47am

Really? Japan Coug put together some facts and all you

Mathew

Jul 11, 10:08am

Your not being realistic at all. Based on Nelson's #'s,

Swiadomy

Jul 11, 10:52am

Hahahaaa that was juicy.

JamesDean

Jul 11, 11:07am

when you say you have followed him since HS

Jericho

Jul 11, 11:09am

I mean I hope I am proved wrong this coming year.

JamesDean

Jul 11, 11:14am

. (nm)

Swiadomy

Jul 11, 11:19am

good post. very informative. riley will go undefeated. (nm)

erkimust

Jul 11, 01:01am

<< Deleted >> (nm)

JamesDean

Jul 11, 01:06am

<< Retracted>> (nm)

JamesDean

Jul 11, 01:14am

"2012: Better than 1988!?" (nm)

Mars

Jul 11, 01:35am

That's actually better than "Every day is game day" (nm)

JamesDean

Jul 11, 01:41am

POTD nominated (nm)

BlooCoug

Jul 11, 01:40am

Would you be rooting for Riley if he were not American? (nm)

crueblue

Jul 11, 01:59am

Yes, he plays for my team. (nm)

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 02:04am

but your team is not Japanese. (nm)

crueblue

Jul 11, 02:05am

JP made a good post. you are making the thread worse. (nm)

erkimust

Jul 11, 02:07am

no it was just continuation of a good post. to each his own (short)

crueblue

Jul 11, 02:13am

I usually laugh when something is funny.

erkimust

Jul 11, 02:26am

This is a big stat the opposite way as well....

idacoug

Jul 11, 04:12am

Nice point. That is often overlooked. (nm)

HighHorse

Jul 11, 06:00am

Covey was a jr in 1988 (short)

Yz1

Jul 11, 05:13am

Are you sure? I thought he was a junior in '87, and a

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 07:45am

Just verified it -- you are correct. I will edit my post

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 07:46am

Feterik is the only one listed to lose to Utah as a Senior. (nm)

Coug Eastwood

Jul 11, 07:00am

Good observation, added it to the post (nm)

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 07:54am

Steve Lindsley was a senior who started most of 1986. Your

basman

Jul 11, 08:38am

But Lindsley only started his Senior year, so he wouldn't be

Coug Eastwood

Jul 11, 08:43am

No one wants to compare Riley to a realistic scenario

JamesDean

Jul 11, 09:36am

Riley had 3 starts in 2010 before being injured

BYUFam1

Jul 11, 09:43am

adding up all of Riley's starts, it closely equals 2 full (short)

viper

Jul 11, 10:03am

I wasn't counting his USU starts

BYUFam1

Jul 11, 10:07am

Well, I think USU was 8 games but you are right.

viper

Jul 11, 10:28am

The better question. Who would even replace him?

Matthute

Jul 13, 01:54am

I was about to make this point, thanks for saving me the (short)

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 10:42am

It's just a list of senior QBs, no matter how good or bad,

Coug Eastwood

Jul 11, 09:47am

I realize you missed the discussion last night. (nm)

JamesDean

Jul 11, 09:54am

Oh, yes I did ... sorry. (nm)

Coug Eastwood

Jul 11, 10:28am

I excluded him because he had never started a game before

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 10:41am

What is record with underclass QBs?

UteonBainbridge

Jul 11, 09:22am

Bosco helps that stat as he won a national title as a junior (nm)

BYUFam1

Jul 11, 09:44am

I have seen the record of Jr QB's, it is respectable (short)

Jericho

Jul 11, 10:15am

It would take some time to compile it, but definitely not as

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 10:51am

Some of that work was already done....

BYUFam1

Jul 11, 10:58am

81% games won for Sr's vs 70% games won for Jr's (nm)

Jericho

Jul 11, 11:07am

And that was when these seniors were juniors, for the most

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 11:10am

+1, most QB's start getting decent as Juniors

Jericho

Jul 11, 11:27am

I expect 2012 to be a lot like 1999, minus the conf champ (nm)

byutx

Jul 11, 09:45am

I like our chances with Nelson.

BluePuppy

Jul 11, 09:45am

what about in seasons when the Sr. QB is starting the

Matthute

Jul 11, 09:49am

I think RN's intangibles, locks and abs will balance out the

byutx

Jul 11, 09:53am

between USU and BYU, he's started plenty of games. (nm)

riboflavin

Jul 11, 10:04am

Great!! Good luck with that. (nm)

Matthute

Jul 13, 01:55am

Didn't Doman first start partway into his Junior season? (nm)

Coug Eastwood

Jul 11, 11:36am

you mean like what Doman did? (nm)

Jericho

Jul 11, 12:41pm

Sorry, won't happen for Riley

checoug

Jul 11, 11:29am

As they say though, past performance is no guarantee... (nm)

Florwood

Jul 11, 11:41am

And for all those that believe it is, I have some stocks I'd (short)

JamesDean

Jul 11, 12:09pm

I am STOKED for this season! I believe some good things will (short)

BBLUE76

Jul 11, 12:00pm

No pressure Riley.... (nm)

FierceArc

Jul 11, 12:39pm

No kidding... (nm)

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 08:53pm

Hope that didn't take

Cougrrrs Roll

Jul 11, 12:42pm

Might be good to add Gary Sheide to the list Japan Coug,

Coug Eastwood

Jul 11, 12:59pm

Yep, and Gif Neilson (nm)

HighHorse

Jul 11, 01:10pm

Unfortunately

Cougrrrs Roll

Jul 11, 02:34pm

I thought about going further back, but ran out of time. (short)

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 09:08pm

Not too much work. Wrubell must have read my post :) (nm)

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 08:55pm

I thought it might have been

Cougrrrs Roll

Jul 12, 11:37am

Correct, I hadn't seen it. Now I feel like a hack. (nm)

Japan Coug

Jul 12, 05:10pm

No need

Cougrrrs Roll

Jul 12, 07:46pm

Bosco was 2nd team QB his senior year and #3 in Heisman? (short)

Blue Cougar

Jul 11, 07:03pm

I think it might have been the Air Force QB, AFA was really

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 09:02pm

Thanks for the info. (nm)

Blue Cougar

Jul 12, 01:56am

Nice stats but look beyond the "Senior" element

GA_Coug

Jul 11, 10:22pm

True, and I certainly don't expect Riley to perform at the

Japan Coug

Jul 11, 10:26pm

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