his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

he's not winning 11 games and he doesn't need to. He needs to show that he can improve the team year to year and week to week. He needs to show that he can make competent decisions during the week in game prep and in the heat of the moment during the game.

ChicagoAggie wrote:his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

With the changes that need to be made we won't see a great result next season. Need to fire the Oline coach, special teams coach, DB coach and probably the OC. That's a lot of change in the offseason to expect a MWC championship right away. Agree though, that changes need to be made and a LOT of improvement needs to be seen. I doubt we won over one recruit today and probably lost a few.

FloridaAggie13 wrote:

ChicagoAggie wrote:his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

With the changes that need to be made we won't see a great result next season. Need to fire the Oline coach, special teams coach, DB coach and probably the OC. That's a lot of change in the offseason to expect a MWC championship right away. Agree though, that changes need to be made and a LOT of improvement needs to be seen. I doubt we won over one recruit today and probably lost a few.

I don't care. He better win next year. My fear is he doesn't and we have to start over.

Our ST coach was nominated for the Broyles award, given to the top assistant coach.

QuackAttackAggie wrote:he's not winning 11 games and he doesn't need to. He needs to show that he can improve the team year to year and week to week. He needs to show that he can make competent decisions during the week in game prep and in the heat of the moment during the game.

He really hasn't shown he can improve week to week or year to year. My statement stands. And if he gets a P5 job because of his success as I state in my OP then let him go too.

There were many aspects of the game that went wrong for us. Chuckie's fumble. Multiple dropped passes. Going to the run up the middle too much in 2nd half. Blown coverage in secondary on the long bomb. Had those not happened, we are in the game and this is key emotionally.

I think their were core issues today that are the same we've seen for a while. Weak on the O-Line and no pass rush. There is the element of the car crash that had impact to our D-line, but overall that was the biggest core difference in the game.

I agree that heupel called a reasonable 1st half. 2nd half was a different game however.

I'm in favor of letting Weber go and I'm almost in favor of letting Clune go. The defense turned into a train wreck as the season went on.

ChicagoAggie wrote:his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

If he did all that you would still not like him. You are a perfectionist.......we have to beat USC....right?

SuperiorBlueDiver wrote:I'm in favor of letting Weber go and I'm almost in favor of letting Clune go. The defense turned into a train wreck as the season went on.

Weber has 100 years or so of experience as a O-Line coach so there is no "upside" for him. Clune on the other hand is not a "proven" so I would keep him and see if he learns from this. (Along with Wells.)

If the second half of your season is a drop in performance, I think there are to major reasons to look to:
1. You have been 'figured out' by the opposing teams and you have not adjusted
or
2. you have internal issues that causes the team to under-perform.

All starts with line on both sides. I am most concerned with the Oline. Attitude, scheme, and technique. Weber is not it. Don't know if it can be turned around in one year or not. Nfl backs are few. Better have an Oline that can block. Doubt we see the assistant head coach fired or demoted. Loyalty to Kraghorpe not worth it imho.

mcaggie1 wrote:

ChicagoAggie wrote:his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

If he did all that you would still not like him. You are a perfectionist.......we have to beat USC....right?

Yes. I am a perfectionist. Blame my mother. I contributed to 2 loses in 5 years of playing. Near perfection is ok by me


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One more year to what? Match the records posted by every coach before him? There are obviously issues to be addressed, but Gary Anderson is not coming back, I don't think Kilani Sitake would even consider coming here, and I sure as hell don't want Brent Guy, even if he did recruit Wagner and Turbin.

I support Well's and it is pathetic we are even having this thread. He is certainly not above reproach and has made some blunders but he is as good a coach as we have ever had. Thank you coach Well's for making it so that we are disappointed to lose to BYU and feel disappointed in a season where we go bowling.

I am actually with Chicago on this one. This team had way too much talent to finish 6-6. We should have had 9 wins easy with this team. The coaching staff let them down. It is extremely obvious that our o line has a major problem and has had all year. The play calling in the second half was atrocious at best. How many times can we run to the middle of the line and gain nothing. The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result. This is all on Wells. How many more years on his contract?

bpd wrote:I am actually with Chicago on this one. This team had way too much talent to finish 6-6. We should have had 9 wins easy with this team. The coaching staff let them down. It is extremely obvious that our o line has a major problem and has had all year. The play calling in the second half was atrocious at best. How many times can we run to the middle of the line and gain nothing. The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result. This is all on Wells. How many more years on his contract?

I agree that the team underperformed, but 9 "easy wins" is also a stretch.

UNM was ours for the taking, AFA was winnable but not "easy", which gets us to eight. The Stench was always going to be a hard win. SDSU, Utah, and Washington were hard wins.

dyedblue wrote:I support Well's and it is pathetic we are even having this thread. He is certainly not above reproach and has made some blunders but he is as good a coach as we have ever had. Thank you coach Well's for making it so that we are disappointed to lose to BYU and feel disappointed in a season where we go bowling.

I don't thank Wells for being disappointed at losing to BYU by 3 touchdowns. Nor do I thank him for getting our asses handed to us by San Diego State. Nor do I feel particular thankful for losing to New Mexico or Air Force.


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I say no more use of the overused insanity definition used on here so much.

Admittedly this season has been disappointing, and I will concede that some minor changes may be necessary. However, football is a funny game in that the outcome in most games turns on one or two plays. In years past, those plays all seemed to g o our way. This year they all seemed to go against us.

If Hobbs doesn't drop the snap against NM, or if Warren hits the FG. Or if we don't drop a ball in the end zone against AFA we are looking at a totally different attitude right now towards the program. Based only on 2-3 plays. Even the Utah game turned on a drop by Kennedy Williams. Point being, I don't think we are as far off as some of you are making it out to be.


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dyedblue wrote:I support Well's and it is pathetic we are even having this thread. He is certainly not above reproach and has made some blunders but he is as good a coach as we have ever had. Thank you coach Well's for making it so that we are disappointed to lose to BYU and feel disappointed in a season where we go bowling.

You think Wells built this program?

Nope. He hasn't bailed on it either. Who was the last coach to win in Provo?

It's absurd to say that Wells built the program. It's equally absurd to think that he didn't contribute to its building up.


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He had a 9 win season followed by a 10 win season. This is first subpar season (still .500 this yr and 18-6 in MWC play as head coach) and you're generous to give him one more season!? Your wish may be granted as if he has another 9/10 win season hell probably have several options to leave.

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ChicagoAggie wrote:his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

How very generous of you...

Maybe we can get more people like Todd that can call in and criticize Well's for not trying to score before half time. FYI-Todd, trying to score is what lead to Chuckie's fumble and flipped the game. Also on the blocked FG it wouldn't have mattered what adjustment we made because the ball was kicked straight into the line.

dyedblue wrote:Maybe we can get more people like Todd that can call in and criticize Well's for not trying to score before half time. FYI-Todd, trying to score is what lead to Chuckie's fumble and flipped the game. Also on the blocked FG it wouldn't have mattered what adjustment we made because the ball was kicked straight into the line.

Hey...but the college kids think Todd is cool!


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But hey if you want to talk about calling a timeout to stop the clock after a BYU 3rd down with 6 minutes left in the game lets talk. Or running the ball in the middle as soon as we got the ball or punting from the 32 then let's talk.

ChicagoAggie wrote:his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

I will give you one more year to become a better fan. You'd better donate millions (with an 'S'). And you must convince Nick Saban to come coach our team with Urban Meyer as OC.

Otherwise, you need to go.

Forgot to mention, I am a demanding fan.


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If that is the benchmark then I am out.

I was just trying to point out the ridiculousness of his demands. Only a person with the last name Laub would fit that category and wouldn't need to post on here because they have the AD's and head coach's personal cell numbers.


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Wells doesn't drop balls, Wells doesn't make the O-Line get shoved around. Yes, he or his staff made playcalls that didn't work out, welcome to football. I don't questions Wells football IQ, but his coaching management and player management have kept us soft this year. He's still a young Head Coach, and though not perfect, or even top 50 nationally, who else are we going to get?

ChicagoAggie wrote:his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

You better be a Laub-level donor then. Because unless you can get the HC's salary up to $1.5 million in perpetuity you're much more likely to end up with a worse coach.

JonnyCienPesos wrote:Admittedly this season has been disappointing, and I will concede that some minor changes may be necessary. However, football is a funny game in that the outcome in most games turns on one or two plays. In years past, those plays all seemed to g o our way. This year they all seemed to go against us.

If Hobbs doesn't drop the snap against NM, or if Warren hits the FG. Or if we don't drop a ball in the end zone against AFA we are looking at a totally different attitude right now towards the program. Based only on 2-3 plays. Even the Utah game turned on a drop by Kennedy Williams. Point being, I don't think we are as far off as some of you are making it out to be.


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That's exactly how Dave Arslanian justified his losses -- funny Gary Anderson never seemed to need excuses.

3rdGenAggie wrote:

ChicagoAggie wrote:his team better win every game...except USC. Win the MWC Championship....and win a big bowl game!

Otherwise he needs to go!

Forgot to mention...I am a donor...........

You better be a Laub-level donor then. Because unless you can get the HC's salary up to $1.5 million in perpetuity you're much more likely to end up with a worse coach.

Bull Crap, that's what we heard before every coaching change. Some new coaches actually did better.

[quote="JonnyCienPesos"]Admittedly this season has been disappointing, and I will concede that some minor changes may be necessary. However, football is a funny game in that the outcome in most games turns on one or two plays. In years past, those plays all seemed to g o our way. This year they all seemed to go against us.

If Hobbs doesn't drop the snap against NM, or if Warren hits the FG. Or if we don't drop a ball in the end zone against AFA we are looking at a totally different attitude right now towards the program. Based only on 2-3 plays. Even the Utah game turned on a drop by Kennedy Williams. Point being, I don't think we are as far off as some of you are making it out to be.

Most sensible post on thread, work to improve but don't throw baby out with water.


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