When you get into the details, it gets murky.

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Jan 11, 2017
9:40:57am

Y Mountain All-American

All I'm saying is that there is a Libertarian argument for government-enforced vaccination.

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Y Mountain

Previous username: Spence23
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oh man.

riboflavin

1/10/17 12:14pm

RE: oh man.

DapperDan

1/10/17 12:18pm

Those people are despicable.

AZcougLawyer

1/10/17 12:20pm

Couldn't agree more about anti-vaxxers

DapperDan

1/10/17 12:21pm

you're right lets hate/ridicule people that think differently than us.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 12:24pm

It's more about ridiculing stupid people

OneUpper

1/10/17 12:29pm

While it's thinking differently, there is OVERWHELMING evidence to support

RyneK

1/10/17 12:29pm

The world was a much better place with Polio.

PharmD

1/10/17 12:31pm

at the risk of being crucified on CB, as well as starting a huge argument

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 12:38pm

Didn't the vaccine autism guy confess that he falsified his research?

OneUpper

1/10/17 12:41pm

Yep

jaromp

1/10/17 12:46pm

oh was the article I posted written by Andrew Wakefield?

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 12:58pm

Some dude's blog is definitely not worth my time.

OneUpper

1/10/17 12:59pm

ahhh . gotcha. ok then. Believe whatever you choose to believe.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:01pm

I'm happy to learn things from peer-reviewed academic journals. I don't care

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:03pm

A blog is not the place to learn about that kind of stuff.

PharmD

1/10/17 1:04pm

interesting, so the place someone voices their thoughts make them invalid?

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:14pm

Well, in this case, the content really helps make it invalid.

DapperDan

1/10/17 1:16pm

good so you read it!?

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:21pm

Yes. He's an angry father desperate for someone to blame is very bad at

DapperDan

1/10/17 1:48pm

Boom

El Fuego

1/10/17 1:50pm

Seriously. The guy demonstrates a shocking lack of understanding of how scientific studies work and what they are used

jaromp

1/10/17 2:04pm

I think you don't know what quotation marks mean when you're quoting someone...

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 2:28pm

Here is the trouble with conducting a study like he suggests

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 12:52am

totally. that could be an issue. doesnt mean it is.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 2:50pm

In his case, it's exactly what it seems to be.

DapperDan

1/10/17 3:10pm

Agreed, but he loses validity when he is hypocritical in his approach.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 12:57am

Just because you have thoughts doesn't make them valid

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:17pm

Has it occurred to you that this is not a new topic for many of us and that we

Byron McNertney

1/10/17 1:13pm

haha. whats so amazing is your clear desire to not want to read someone else's

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:16pm

Not sure if trolling or just doubling down

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:18pm

I thought it was a sincere point..

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:22pm

Doubling down then

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:24pm

Or maybe it's just a proper application of the GIGO principle

Yoshinobu

1/10/17 1:24pm

lol. anti-vaxxer condescendingly telling others to believe what they want to believe without getting educated. Now you

byuTX

1/10/17 1:31pm

Andrew Wakefield's study is what the whole Autism - vaccine connection is based on, so...

jaromp

1/10/17 1:02pm

is it though?

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:23pm

Uh, yeah, he even mentions it in that blog post you posted

jaromp

1/10/17 2:13pm

Good question. Is there any significant evidence that prior to Wakefield

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 1:02am

The flat earth people are fighting this guy for the right to be more wrong

DapperDan

1/10/17 12:41pm

I honestly only care about one thing. Are less people dying?

RyneK

1/10/17 12:42pm

I agree. Vaccinations are good in general

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 12:49pm

If those potential people could opt out, then whatever, but the problem is you

RyneK

1/10/17 12:51pm

I think if you choose to not vaccinate your kids you also understand that if

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:00pm

Actually if you choose not to vaccinate your kid you are so oblivious to the

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:02pm

But people don't follow it, as has been shown by the recent measles outbreaks

DapperDan

1/10/17 1:03pm

We're not talking about the common cold or even the slightly less common flu.

RyneK

1/10/17 1:11pm

you're absolutely right.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:20pm

That's the crazy part - every person is a part of the general population

RyneK

1/10/17 1:25pm

What's happening here is likely confirmation bias

DapperDan

1/10/17 1:29pm

Not to mention the 100 million other things your kid interacts with

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 1:10am

You generally don't know you are contageous until it is waaaaayyyyyy to late

rmreitz

1/11/17 2:15pm

Or they are looking for an explanation for misfortune and misappropriate blame.

OneUpper

1/10/17 12:52pm

ahhh. or maybe they're looking into something that has some red flags..

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 12:59pm

I think you need a cookie. You'd prefer almond milk with that, right?

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:00pm

hahah. good one.....

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:02pm

Maybe a nap is in order as well.

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:03pm

sounds like you're really good at prescribing things for people..

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:05pm

Feel better?

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:06pm

Having children with Autism is extremely difficult, and the hardship doesn't really ever end.

jaromp

1/10/17 1:01pm

True. But until there is sufficient evidence to support vaccines as the cause

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 1:05am

feels strongly about it?! who cares how he feels.

riboflavin

1/10/17 12:59pm

But 2+2 just FEELS like 5

unctoothman

1/10/17 1:03pm

Read your blog. The author is doing the same smoke and mirrors hack job

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:34pm

In good faith, I read the entire article. Wow. That was long. My favorite was

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 12:35am

The conflict of interest is mitigated by peer-review. Why do so many people

stonewallperry

1/11/17 12:31pm

All of them?

Cougarfan777

1/11/17 11:56pm

When their thinking is demonstrably wrong and harms others, I'm ok with it

DapperDan

1/10/17 12:33pm

How so?

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 12:39pm

RE: How so?

DapperDan

1/10/17 12:40pm

I was directly impacted by anti-vaxxers.

jdub

1/10/17 1:02pm

You bring up a great point.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:10pm

It's not an article when you're self-publishing on the internet.

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:12pm

Also, here are some of the other thought-provoking "articles" on that site

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:16pm

so one message is bad, all messages are bad. got it.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:26pm

Just showing that it's not published in the American Journal of Medicine.

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:36pm

Well, I didn't say what you just claimed I said.

jdub

1/10/17 1:15pm

youre totally right. its not his passion for the topic that makes it interesting

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:27pm

RE: youre totally right. its not his passion for the topic that makes it

jdub

1/10/17 1:42pm

All you need to know about the blog is that he refers to studies that were

Byron McNertney

1/10/17 2:23pm

They have an opinion so ridiculous and potentially harmful that it deserves ridicule.

Jezza

1/10/17 12:36pm

If their different thinking endangers others and is demonstrably wrong, then yes

Byron McNertney

1/10/17 12:43pm

Had some crazy anti-vaccers show up to stage a sit-in at a campaign event last fall.....that was fun.....

Jezza

1/10/17 12:22pm

I've come to believe that often times people aren't that crazy. They've just had

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 12:25pm

I believe they have had VERY different experiences. But that doesn't make them any less wrong.

Jezza

1/10/17 12:30pm

If "vaccine exemptions" means what I think it does, I'm torn...

BertoChavez

1/10/17 12:24pm

Paying taxes usually doesn't give you the right to infect other students

silent_t

1/10/17 12:28pm

that's an interesting take. please expound..

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 12:29pm

The video DapperDan posted below is a good summary of my feelings on vaccination

silent_t

1/10/17 12:39pm

RE: that's an interesting take. please expound..

byuTX

1/10/17 1:33pm

But what if the vaccine is single digit effective?

CougarAndMerlin

1/10/17 12:31pm

The flu vaccine isn't mandatory

Jezza

1/10/17 12:32pm

Devils advocate. Shouldn't the vaccinated kids be immune anyway?

maxpowers

1/10/17 12:31pm

That's not how vaccinations work. They maintain a low defense, sometimes not enough to withstand contact

Jezza

1/10/17 12:33pm

If that's the case, why did I have to get vaccinated for the plague when I was in the USMC?

CougarAndMerlin

1/10/17 12:40pm

your titer to the disease is much higher after getting the vaccine, so its a goo

TN_Coug

1/10/17 12:45pm

That's not how vaccines work on a large scale

DapperDan

1/10/17 12:36pm

You use the word "infect" in an interesting way.

Y'zFan

1/10/17 12:33pm

I definitely understand this point, but it's a slippery slope.

BertoChavez

1/10/17 1:51pm

This is what should and shouldn't be controlled:

Y Mountain

1/10/17 3:02pm

nice 24 yr old viewpoint

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 1:17am

When you get into the details, it gets murky.

Y Mountain

1/11/17 9:40am

Gotcha. I agree there is an argument for it in the Libertarian view.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 10:47am

Not getting your kid vaccinated and sending them to school or in public risks everyone else's kids, It's not a personal

Jezza

1/10/17 12:31pm

So, they're all cess pools of disease, then? I don't think you know what

SPgoofyft

1/10/17 1:00pm

The science is clear. Vaccines do not cause autism. Vaccinate your kids ASAP.

Jezza

1/10/17 1:07pm

Chicken pox sounds mild...but it can be pretty serious under certain conditions.

PharmD

1/10/17 1:12pm

Attending school at all affects other kids in various ways.

BertoChavez

1/10/17 1:54pm

slippery slope indeed.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:58pm

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Y Mountain

1/10/17 3:05pm

We probably shouldn't allow kids who have been outside the country into schools

Spine

1/10/17 9:11pm

"We don't vaccinate until they're required to before missions" is an actual

HoustonCougar

1/10/17 12:43pm

They might be smarter than you think. I bet you know nothing about vaccines

SPgoofyft

1/10/17 1:05pm

I trust the full weight of scientific evidence. This really isn't a tough issue.

Jezza

1/10/17 1:08pm

Lolz.

HoustonCougar

1/10/17 1:12pm

It has CHEMICALS! Chemicals is such a scary word!

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:21pm

fighting personal attacks with personal attacks.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 1:31pm

Yup. Can we fast forward to the point where you apologize and we hug it out?

OneUpper

1/10/17 1:41pm

We can start with a trip to this site:

byuTX

1/10/17 1:58pm

Sadly, I have a relative that counts here

Y Mountain

1/10/17 3:10pm

and this is why the divide in our country grows wider.

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 4:30pm

And, your assumptions keep missing the mark

jdub

1/10/17 4:51pm

RE: And, your assumptions keep missing the mark

CrashMcLarson

1/10/17 5:24pm

You are flat out wrong on this issue and all the dim-witted, unintelligent folks out banging the drum for this cause are

byuTX

1/10/17 5:28pm

*prey

OneUpper

1/10/17 6:26pm

I think you totally misunderstand my position.

CrashMcLarson

1/11/17 10:20am

But, your post shows the whole problem with your position.

jdub

1/11/17 10:33am

RE: But, your post shows the whole problem with your position.

CrashMcLarson

1/11/17 11:07am

exactly.

jdub

1/11/17 12:37pm

How do people know that the vaccines are what caused the problems with

stonewallperry

1/11/17 12:57pm

holy smokes people

CrashMcLarson

1/11/17 1:11pm

Most vaccines are given only a single time, so how can a Mom (or Dad) possibly

stonewallperry

1/11/17 7:37pm

you're attributing the actions of one person to a whole group of people.

CrashMcLarson

1/12/17 8:49am

Response to your questions.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 1:48am

The overwhelming majority of people, pro- and anti-vax, aren't capable

stonewallperry

1/11/17 12:42pm

so you think all anti-vax people dont see the need for doctors..

CrashMcLarson

1/11/17 1:14pm

That is part of the problem. People THINK they figure them out, when in

stonewallperry

1/11/17 7:30pm

haha if thats part of your argument to not even try to figure them out...

CrashMcLarson

1/12/17 8:50am

People have died!! It seems you're the one who doesn't want to understand!

Wear Blue

1/11/17 1:11am

or calling them frauds and liars because they differ in their interpretation.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/11/17 1:25am

Polio.

BNcoug

1/11/17 9:15am

Finally, something that left-wing wackos can agree with Trump on.

Conan

1/10/17 1:20pm

SMH

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