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Sep 13, 2017
9:21:07am

franklyvulgar All-American

It's what we used to do in the past ignorance is bliss I'd argue that even MWC

Competition would be challenging for us to win the conference title. That's really where we belong competitively it's time to scale it back relieve the pressure on our coaches and players and accept that we're G5, we're no better than G5 and the Indy/quasi P5 arrogance was a facade.

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franklyvulgar

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Holmoe and Bronco have both said that independence is not sustainable. If this

Run-DMT

9/13/17 8:27am

I think we wait out the next round of TV contract renegotiations. That's our

titlecoug

9/13/17 8:30am

Better get a wrestling program soon

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:22am

We might be in Big12 now if we had kept wrestling. Stealth expansion mode.

BamaCoug

9/13/17 11:50am

If it's stagnating as an independent it's not going to do any better

kotacoug

9/13/17 8:30am

That's a good question actually: would the program do better as indy or G5?

Run-DMT

9/13/17 8:33am

Well, we've seen what is in store as an Indy.

9/13/17 8:47am

The only positives to Indy are ESPN and their TV deal and for out of state fans

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:04am

Out of state fans would love the AAC for the same reasons they love Independence

9/13/17 9:06am

Why does the pro-conference crowd talk up AAC as the choice? It would kill us

CougLuv1

9/13/17 10:49am

We aren't taking buses anywhere. A flight to Houston is longer than a flight to

9/13/17 3:25pm

I realize we aren't taking buses, but those on-going cross-country flights

CougLuv1

9/15/17 10:39am

I don't see how crappy bowl games would improve

9/13/17 9:33am

There are no positives to G5 conference affiliation

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:34am

Out of state fan here : Hate Independence

CougarinOZ

9/13/17 10:52am

Me too

9/13/17 2:46pm

agree

ohiocougar

9/13/17 7:33pm

Out of state fans also like being able to attend games... until Harvey.

TailgateU

9/13/17 4:19pm

G5 teams have to play P5 big games for the money. More desperate> BYU being Indy

Bobmarleyjr

9/13/17 12:20pm

AAC looks very delish right about now. I'd take that. All day.

indojoe

9/13/17 1:40pm

Yes it 100% will.

Dissenter

9/13/17 4:20pm

The AAC is on the way up, much more so than the BIG12.

indojoe

9/13/17 4:31pm

IF the AAC had great teams, the Big 12 would have taken them

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 4:54pm

HALF of the AAC teams have spent time in Top25 in past 2yrs as has Boise. So

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

9/14/17 3:48am

You could argue our best years ranking national relevance were during MWC/WAC

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 8:56am

...and if we beat Boise State the rest of the teams on our schedule we are defacto MWC Champs!

Bonoman

9/13/17 10:17am

If we went Indy in the 90s, Utah would not be in the P5

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:38am

We're kidding ourselves if we think being indy is "prestigious."

CougLuv1

9/15/17 10:44am

So much has changed since then

palangi

9/13/17 10:49am

When/if ESPN doesn't renew our contract and other options

Cougar Geek

9/13/17 8:30am

I think the basketball team has hurt the basketball team - not the WCC

9/13/17 8:32am

HS gyms has hurt perceptions and fan interest is weaker - at least

Iman23

9/13/17 8:35am

Yes, because playing in Wyo or CSU was such a great experience?

Dissenter

9/13/17 9:42am

The playing style of the WCC has been a bad fit for us. Rose and others have

Run-DMT

9/13/17 8:37am

Agreed, Jesse!

9/13/17 8:43am

I don't love the WCC, but with the SJWs ready to pounce, it's actually a good

Iman23

9/13/17 8:33am

One thing is for sure: a P5 invite isn't coming

SJS

9/13/17 8:38am

No, ESPN refused to pay for anyone else

2FarGone

9/13/17 8:45am

This was actually what they "discovered" in their public search

2FarGone

9/13/17 8:49am

Well that's a new (and totally incorrect) form of revisionist history.

BamaCoug

9/13/17 11:48am

It's all dependent on the next tv contract.

Kerbouchard

9/13/17 8:38am

No p5 is coming. Fanbase can't swallow g5. Program dies by 2025

9/13/17 8:39am

Well, aren't you a ray of sunshine today?

2FarGone

9/13/17 8:42am

And Chris Hill is smiling as they're the only show in town

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:12am

We'd go G5 even if the fanbase can't swallow it. Program isn't going anywhere.

rggee

9/13/17 9:16am

but when fans don't care, and they wouldn't, we'd be like weber state eventually

9/13/17 9:24am

Weber State? lol nah - Utah State at worst

rggee

9/13/17 9:25am

its really hard for a fanbase to accept a step down when utah is living the high

9/13/17 9:32am

That's a pretty fickle fanbase, then. I definitely will continue to get season

rggee

9/13/17 9:33am

not really fickle. its hard to support a team, take a bunch of saturdays and

9/13/17 9:39am

I'd say most football teams have zero national relevance, but they still make $$

rggee

9/13/17 11:11am

BYU is still top 30 football attendance, top 20 basketball attendance

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:12am

Fanbase can't swallow G5 = Utah based fans are jealous and prideful.

CougarinOZ

9/13/17 10:54am

Ridiculous. Again, so many around here fail to notice just how strong this program is. Fan base size alone means

CalGTR

9/13/17 10:59am

^ This ^

rggee

9/13/17 11:12am

Exactly. Well said

MaxxPower

9/13/17 7:59pm

You have to take the statement in context. The context is competing with P5 schools as an independent is not sustainable

Rhino84

9/13/17 8:43am

Our entire football program was built by sitting at a little kids table.

9/13/17 8:51am

Depends who you define as the "Big Boys". We are taken much more seriously year in and year out than the bottom half

Rhino84

9/13/17 9:00am

Sure, but that comes from winning, not conference affiliation. That reputation

9/13/17 9:02am

If games like LSU teach us anything, it's that we can't compete with P5 schools.

OpusX

9/13/17 9:00am

No. It teaches us that we can't compete with elite schools.

boscatar

9/13/17 9:16am

I like your use of the term "P5-like school". P5-like means you're not P5.

OpusX

9/13/17 9:25am

P5 refers to schools who are part of the autonomy governance structure

boscatar

9/13/17 9:37am

BYU 82, Utah 18

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 9:16am

Eh. I think LSU shows us we are never going undefeated as an independent.

9/13/17 9:24am

You're absolutely right about changing BYU as an institution.

OpusX

9/13/17 9:30am

Or possibly that we DIDN'T compete with that particular P5 school, and that

TheDash

9/14/17 11:44am

I think many fans realize the politics are such that a P5 invite is impossible.

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:14am

And if IIRC he said it was unsustainable indefinitely.

Everyman

9/13/17 9:47am

Yet the UU keeps getting subsidized

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:16am

And the lawmakers are content with that arragement.

Everyman

9/13/17 12:37pm

Why isn't it sustainable? If the answer is $$, then move to G5 not better.

CosmoK

9/13/17 8:45am

Ask Tom.

Run-DMT

9/13/17 8:46am

Tom needs to be asked point blank if Indy is sustainable long term and if he

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:10am

I don't think the drop off in revenue to the AAC would be that dramatic.

9/13/17 9:00am

You are kidding yourself

9/13/17 10:06am

Revenues have been going up for everyone in the country. TV deals, ticket prices

9/13/17 3:30pm

Also the Stigma of being in a G5 conference. BYU has a better brand independent

Bobmarleyjr

9/13/17 3:38pm

There are many G5 schools, including UCONN, Cinci, Boise, etc that have the "P5"

9/13/17 3:40pm

Boise might but I haven't seen any AAC with their P5 status

Bobmarleyjr

9/13/17 3:52pm

I give you three years and you focus on the one?

9/13/17 5:47pm

I don't think anyone could foresee that we would not get in by now and

Hawk Talons

9/13/17 9:02am

In other words please stop playing Wisconsin and LSU so we can beat up on Rice

Crush4

9/13/17 9:03am

RE: In other words please stop playing Wisconsin and LSU so we can beat up on

9/13/17 9:09am

* Stop playing Wisconsin and LSU in the same season....

boscatar

9/13/17 9:19am

It's what we used to do in the past ignorance is bliss I'd argue that even MWC

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:21am

And Boise State, and Utah, and Utah State, and San Jose St., and Mizzou

IrishCooga

9/13/17 9:25am

I know you are being facetious, but you make a good point

ArchbishopMitty

9/13/17 10:07am

Well they must be wrong, because several on CB have said otherwise

IrishCooga

9/13/17 9:17am

The basketball issues are 100% coaching/horrible evaluation of players. Period.

Ash

9/13/17 9:18am

it would help basketball if we were p5.

9/13/17 9:40am

The expanded AAC would be a power basketball conference - high major

boscatar

9/13/17 9:45am

For the record- when there are a sixteen team super conferences, BYU will get a

RoyalCoug99

9/13/17 9:47am

Where? There won't be 5 16-team conferences.

Dissenter

9/13/17 9:53am

There's a chance that some of the weaker football schools would get cut

Run-DMT

9/13/17 9:57am

And for all objective criteria, the call should be from the Pac16, which would

Run-DMT

9/13/17 9:55am

When has college football ever been symmetrical?

boscatar

9/13/17 10:05am

Yes, if there's a CFB commissioner (Conf Comm/ADs) who decide. If it's Univ Pres

BamaCoug

9/13/17 11:49am

Why 4/16 and not 4/12. 48 teams get more $$$ each.

blackshirts

9/13/17 12:36pm

Hopefully the school is working on subtle HC alterations... Bc no P5 invite is coming w/ current HC language there

crm48

9/13/17 10:26am

As if that one quote is all Tom has ever said on the subject. Bronco, too, has clarified and expanded on BYU's future.

CalGTR

9/13/17 10:52am

We need other schools to go independent...that would do wonders for us

Hill4Heisman

9/13/17 11:23am

Hawaii and SDSU should do it next. They can get P5s and BYU on the schedule.

boscatar

9/13/17 12:48pm

If any G5 could pull off independence, it would be Hawaii

9/13/17 9:24pm

Don't know about SDSU, but Texas, Boise St, and Hawaii could

Hill4Heisman

9/14/17 10:27am

SDSU could pull off independence. SoCal venue. Especially with BYU and Hawaii

boscatar

9/18/17 1:26pm

Why not? Any reasons aside from quoting a coach that'll be out of a job soon?

9/13/17 12:31pm

I disagree. Independence and the WCC has not hurt

Endocoug

9/13/17 3:36pm

These comments are old and had a lot more context.

Katewot

9/13/17 5:32pm

Who is Bronco?

MaxxPower

9/13/17 7:56pm

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