There is truth in this. Reality is this: the best OC we've had in past 10+ years

Oct 11, 2017
10:26:58pm

Coug Dude All-American

has been one VERY SEASONED Robert Anae. Doman, Detmer had (have) very little experience.

It's amazing to me, that this is all Tom Holmoe can get for OC at the D1 level. Little experience.

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I find it funny that most Ty Detmer apologists want others to set aside logic

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:36pm

Mike Leach

DirtyWater

10/11/17 8:38pm

What about him?

sgriff

10/11/17 8:39pm

EXACTLY! Broke the P12 passing record in his 2nd year.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:39pm

Went 9-4 last year

BYURider

10/11/17 8:39pm

1-5(6) and basically dead last in offense isn't enough for you?

sgriff

10/11/17 8:40pm

10-10 after this Saturday.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:40pm

Well finish season close to where we finished

BYURider

10/11/17 8:43pm

I doubt that. What makes you think that we are going to catch up to last year?

sgriff

10/11/17 8:46pm

And last year wasn't that great for the offense anyway.

sgriff

10/11/17 8:48pm

Schedule

BYURider

10/11/17 9:06pm

I can wait until the end of the year. I'd prefer a mid season adjustment, but

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:40pm

I thought those were "bronco's recruits" though? Now that the team is

CB4

10/11/17 8:42pm

Crowton went 12-2 with Lavell's guys and then three straight losing seasons.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:46pm

The offense wasn't good last year either

thebruce

10/11/17 8:45pm

^This^

sgriff

10/11/17 8:47pm

It's like giving the defense credit for the 11-2 record in 2001

thebruce

10/11/17 8:50pm

^^^ this ^^^

nashty

10/11/17 8:48pm

Detmer apologists don't have a monopoly on anti-logic

BlueBlood

10/11/17 8:44pm

Exactly! It's not like Detmer is sticking to the same script hoping it'll work.

ManicBlue

10/11/17 9:41pm

and some are in his control. Lets be clear that no one is disputing that.

BlueBlood

10/11/17 9:44pm

What exactly would you do differently that he hasn't tried?

ManicBlue

10/11/17 10:13pm

Well, there are a few things, mostly guesses

BlueBlood

10/11/17 10:33pm

RE: Well, there are a few things, mostly guesses

ManicBlue

10/11/17 11:03pm

sure, but an experienced OC should be better at that kind of thing

BlueBlood

10/11/17 11:07pm

RE: sure, but an experienced OC should be better at that kind of thing

ManicBlue

10/11/17 11:51pm

The passing game probably looks great in practice against this defense.

cougaman

10/12/17 2:13am

Prediction - Ty will be OC in 2018

BYURider

10/11/17 8:45pm

My Prediction: if that happens Kalani will be Fired in December 2018.

Hawk Talons

10/11/17 8:52pm

So if BYU went 11-2, theyd fire Kalani? Really?

BYURider

10/11/17 10:17pm

Predictions wont be useless if the staff stays the same

MikeDitka'sStache

10/12/17 7:59am

Our losing in Royal uniforms far predates Ty and people still try to deny that.

BYUtka

10/11/17 8:47pm

I get your point, but explain the issues. What is wrong?

Turnpike Lane

10/11/17 8:47pm

What isn't wrong would have a shorter answer.

sgriff

10/11/17 8:49pm

You didn't answer the question.

Refugee

10/12/17 6:18am

Results

BlueForLife

10/11/17 8:53pm

Those are anecdotes. What is wrong?

Turnpike Lane

10/11/17 9:17pm

Lots of things that point back to Ty.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:24pm

they knew Ula was the best back. He was injured, he COULDN'T play, and still isn't in great game shape

BlueBlood

10/11/17 9:29pm

They said nothing all off-season about Ula being number 1 if he wasn't injured.

BlueForLife

10/12/17 7:50pm

I believe they said that Burt had an injury and was just cleared by Dr's last w/

SUAVO

10/11/17 9:43pm

Yep, and when we finally get the scheme right, then...

HalftimeAdjustment

10/11/17 8:50pm

Wait, aren't you the guy who said this?

PJMort

10/11/17 8:51pm

And this is relevant how?

Hawk Talons

10/11/17 8:54pm

<< Deleted >>

PJMort

10/11/17 8:56pm

Fine, but I fail to see how it relates to this topic

Hawk Talons

10/11/17 9:00pm

It's relevant because I'm in a bad mood. Sorry. ;(

PJMort

10/11/17 9:03pm

Yep! I would argue that Tanner, an elite 11 qb, and with proper coaching, is a

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:02pm

I predict you are someone that doesn't pay a lot of attention to stats...true?

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:09pm

First you label, then you predict. You must be great with the women.

PJMort

10/11/17 9:14pm

Show me results to argue your point. You like to make personal jabs. Fight back!

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:16pm

RE: Show me results to argue your point. You like to make personal jabs. Fight

PJMort

10/11/17 9:55pm

As much as I hate the current record, I knew I'd have to be patient when they picked Ty.

DapperDan

10/11/17 8:52pm

Really? I don't remember many people saying we would have to be patient. Did

Hawk Talons

10/11/17 8:56pm

Many people were thinking it, but there were a lot of the "fire bronco" crowd

SUAVO

10/11/17 9:08pm

You should listen to what Drage said on Criddle's show this afternoon

BlueBlood

10/11/17 8:58pm

Ty is also the QB coach so poor QB play is on him too.

sgriff

10/11/17 9:02pm

Who should take the blame?

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:07pm

Ty should. I thought we agreed on that.

sgriff

10/11/17 9:09pm

Sorry! I meant to respond to the guy you responded to.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:14pm

Detmer, Taysom, Heaps, Beck (early years), Anae, etc. BYU fans are never happy.

cougsrule

10/11/17 9:13pm

I was somewhat happy with Bronco even as a regular 8-5, 9-4 coach.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:17pm

Detmer critics don't know nearly as much as they seem to think

Mises

10/11/17 9:17pm

^ what this guy said

BlueBlood

10/11/17 9:21pm

I admit that I don't get to see practices each day, and the conversations, but

BlueForLife

10/11/17 9:27pm

when you are determined to blame one guy, you can find all the evidence you want

BlueBlood

10/11/17 9:30pm

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

BlueForLife

10/11/17 10:28pm

Yeah, what an idiot for not playing Ula when he was injured, right? Totally missed on that eval.

BlueBlood

10/11/17 10:34pm

Not arguing to play Ula. And he was not listed as the best back until a few

BlueForLife

10/11/17 10:38pm

but

BlueBlood

10/11/17 10:41pm

They didn't list him as a starter because he wasn't going to start.

BlueBlood

10/11/17 10:45pm

If detmer didn't hire the position coaches, that is the fault of tom

idacoug

10/11/17 9:39pm

Sorry, this is KS's team and his problem.

coolblue

10/12/17 6:51am

People who disagree with you don't use logic?

Abe Froman

10/11/17 10:05pm

There is truth in this. Reality is this: the best OC we've had in past 10+ years

Coug Dude

10/11/17 10:26pm

Very true!

BlueForLife

10/11/17 10:43pm

That's why he's a D1 coach and you're on a message board

Borg

10/11/17 10:50pm

How is Sitake getting away scott free?

cougarmikey

10/12/17 2:28am

I do think Sitake is also to blame, but it is highly unlikely that Sitake would

BlueForLife

10/12/17 6:39am

Don't know what you consider an apologist but I prefer patience to reaction. I'm

ImuaKahuku

10/12/17 5:20am

K, Nice move on the apology for Ty and Kalani. That was funny!

BlueForLife

10/12/17 6:53am

Go read this article, if you haven't already. My perception is that Ty is not

BlueForLife

10/12/17 7:02am

Problem is he shouldn't be trying to "figure" it out. Additionally the problem

ImuaKahuku

10/12/17 10:50am

I feel that 19 games is enough of a gauge for us to know if Ty has potential or

BlueForLife

10/12/17 4:21pm

I'm not really a Detmer apologist but I think it's dumb to draw conclusions based on a superficial analysis of things

buffgato

10/12/17 7:21am

Whats superficial about the stats I have added throughout this chat? Results

BlueForLife

10/12/17 4:22pm

I'm saying you need two things - results may be a start, but you have to know why

buffgato

10/12/17 6:16pm

Not sure you read this post I added above:

BlueForLife

10/12/17 7:44pm

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