19 years later. Still beating myself up about it.

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Nov 14, 2017
1:23:23pm

OPINIONS All-American

19 years later. Still beating myself up about it.

So much that I didn't even remember all the details. Autonomous shot me down pretty well on my recollection of why the Utah player was penalized though. I still think it was a bad call, but it wasn't as innocuous as I remembered.

I'm obviously not super well-versed in all BYU games, but I do remember those against Utah [mostly] pretty well. Just providing my input to the OP.

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OPINIONS

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Has BYU ever won a game thanks to a really bad call/missed call by the refs?

Indy Coug Misunderstood

11/14/17 8:20am

BM Chad Bunn

SausageKing

11/14/17 8:21am

*missed facemask penalty vs SDSU on same play. So not exactly.

mulletino

11/14/17 8:23am

Didn't BYU beat Washington years ago, in part to a bad celebration call. The QB

Cougar TD

11/14/17 8:22am

I'd guess you'd have to demonstrate how the celebration call resulted in a blocked PAT

Indy Coug

11/14/17 8:23am

Yeah, it was the only thing that came to mind.

Cougar TD

11/14/17 8:24am

I thought at the time that UW would have gone for 2. And probably would've won.

COACHdrn

11/14/17 12:12pm

Jake Locker would have got the 2 point conversion easily

rggee

11/14/17 4:44pm

No, Locker threw the ball 50 feet into the air. Happened right in front of me.

mulletino

11/14/17 8:23am

I remember on Sportcenter that night, they went through every other TD...

OPINIONS

11/14/17 8:32am

Yet the announcers stated it was a rule he broke. Dumb rule/Right call

blueaussie

11/14/17 8:44am

They were mostly pointing out the selective nature of enforcing the rule.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 8:58am

Calling a penalty for a specific rule violation is a good call. Now if you

blueaussie

11/14/17 9:07am

Nope.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 9:11am

Well said

Carlos E. Queso

11/14/17 12:46pm

The lengths Ute fans on CB go to gin a good call into a bad is what astounds me.

Cully

11/14/17 3:19pm

Not going to great lengths. Just sharing my take on a game I happened to watch.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 4:11pm

Objectively, the Locker call (in their stadium) was exactly by the rule book...

Cully

11/16/17 7:05pm

No, it doesn't count as an incorrect call, but it absolutely counts as a bad one

scootsy

11/16/17 8:04pm

Did Locker "throw the ball high into the air"? That is the exact wording of the example written into the rule

mvtoro

11/17/17 1:00pm

Define high... 15-feet? 25-feet? 50-feet? It's a subjective call, by rule. Refs

scootsy

11/17/17 1:32pm

<< Deleted >>

blueaussie

11/17/17 2:56pm

RE: Define high... 15-feet? 25-feet? 50-feet? It's a subjective call, by rule.

Cully

11/17/17 3:06pm

So your argument is that he didn't throw it *high enough* to be considered "high"?

mvtoro

11/17/17 3:56pm

I never said the call was incorrect, I said the rule is by nature subjective.

scootsy

11/17/17 3:58pm

OK. So it was a correct call that you, also subjectively, don't like. That's fine. I don't much like it either.

mvtoro

11/17/17 4:59pm

Yeah, pac-10 officiating really sucked. So does pac-12 officiating.

mtnKat

11/14/17 9:42am

JJ Deluigi's nonfumble at home (vs SDST?). It was important to the win.

ImuaKahuku

11/14/17 12:39pm

Mark May cried about it for days

stoils

11/14/17 12:51pm

That's right. I couldn't remember what he did, but glad BYU still won

Cougar TD

11/14/17 8:36am

So then it would fall under the really bad call heading, not missed call

scootsy

11/14/17 9:00am

Didnt spike the ball. Threw it up in the air. Seems minor, but much different.

Count Cougar

11/14/17 8:46am

No, it was the correct call unfortunately for them. Then the kick was blocked.

ArchbishopMitty

11/14/17 11:36am

This is actually listed on the wikipedia page for "Touchdown celebration" as the first (of 2) examples of how the rule

mvtoro

11/14/17 12:50pm

Except that wasn't a bad call. It was absolutely the right call.

LV Mike

11/14/17 1:54pm

Yes, the 1980 Holiday Bowl. Matt Braga trapped a ball that was ruled a TD catch.

CopperLix

11/14/17 8:23am

Is there definitive proof showing he didn't catch it?

Indy Coug

11/14/17 8:24am

It sure looked like a trap to me.

CopperLix

11/14/17 8:25am

Per Paul James, Braga reportedly acknowledged "it bounced once, maybe twice."

11/14/17 8:53am

I watched that over and over, very blurry, but it doesn't look like he gets his

BlueForLife

11/14/17 8:38pm

I don't see that as much of a bad call by refs as it was just an angle thing.

Thug Mormons

11/14/17 10:24am

Was Doman's knee down before the goal line in 2000?

ag4cougs

11/14/17 8:25am

BYU was only down one. They could have still kicked the FG

Indy Coug

11/14/17 8:26am

*could have...

ag4cougs

11/14/17 8:28am

Or ran another play from the 6 inch line.

mulletino

11/14/17 8:30am

So a FG shorter than a PAT would have won it even if the call was different

Indy Coug

11/14/17 8:31am

Staley fumble from that game?

11/14/17 8:40am

good one

ag4cougs

11/14/17 8:55am

yeah, you're right.

ag4cougs

11/14/17 8:55am

Sure as crap lost a game to Utah because of the blown call on the knee being down.

COUGZ

11/14/17 8:27am

2002/2010. Yep. Blown calls for sure.

mulletino

11/14/17 8:28am

2002 was ridiculous. The ball either crossed the goal line or forward progress

Still Open

11/14/17 8:45am

I'm not entirely sure what's funny. The way the ruling went was fumble and

Still Open

11/14/17 9:05am

The Kaneshiro doink came after a U player got flagged for signaling a 1st down.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 8:30am

Those calls were pretty common that year. They were cracking down on celebration

autonomous

11/14/17 8:43am

Ah yes, 1998, the year they really cracked down on understated celebrations.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 9:04am

Laugh if you want but it’s true.

autonomous

11/14/17 9:13am

And it wasn’t “signaling a first down”. Jones did a little dance and got flagged

autonomous

11/14/17 9:17am

You're arguing with a yewt in the throes of byu hate

Carlos E. Queso

11/14/17 1:04pm

19 years later. Still beating myself up about it.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 1:23pm

Didn't the Utah receiver clearly step out of bounds before he caught a pass last year?

11/14/17 8:33am

I think you're thinking of Toledo

MaxxPower

11/14/17 8:49am

Ops, thought it said lost a game.

11/14/17 11:04am

Staley looked like he fumbled in the 2000 Utah game on the winning drive

cougarblue

11/14/17 8:45am

Yeah, we got really lucky on that horrible call.

Still Open

11/14/17 8:46am

Brandon Bradley was down.

slowhiteguy

11/14/17 8:52am

THISSS^^^^ cost us the game momentum was huge.

11/14/17 8:55am

That was a really bad call. The freeze showed possession and knee on ground.

Colorado

11/14/17 10:38am

Vs Arizona 2006 IIRC a no call for kick-catch interference resulted in a short

11/14/17 8:56am

I'm looking for ones that FAVORED BYU, not went against them

Indy Coug

11/14/17 9:05am

That was so bad...

Refugee

11/14/17 12:57pm

Wasnt there a fumble in the SDSU game (when brady hoke coached them) that was

TBabyCougs

11/14/17 9:04am

Yes, but most CBers say the ball was moving forward.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 9:06am

Do you work for the Trib?

Carlos E. Queso

11/14/17 1:02pm

Nope. I went to Utah for school, so I have a hard time holding down a job.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 1:27pm

Just give you more time to cruise your rival's message board, though.

CougarThug

11/14/17 3:26pm

Original.

OPINIONS

11/14/17 3:50pm

TCU in 2005 Double OT

BlueTroop

11/14/17 9:07am

Oh, never mind BYU lost that one.

BlueTroop

11/14/17 9:11am

Utah game. I think it was the year Jake Heaps was QB

SupernintndoChalmers

11/14/17 10:24am

2006 Harline was open for an illegal amount of time in the endzone.

ditch

11/14/17 10:50am

WINNER!!!!

COACHdrn

11/14/17 12:16pm

Clock read 0:00 way before he got the ball. Should not count. Game was over.

Y05

11/14/17 12:18pm

SDSU in 2010. I remember a fumble that was reviewed and somehow went our way.

imfear2000

11/14/17 10:58am

1984 pitt game. Pitt actually scored a touchdown on a reach over by a pitt playe

claw

11/14/17 11:09am

I conveniently choose to forget bad calls that work in our favor

Hill4Heisman

11/14/17 12:00pm

No team has ever won due to a bad call per its fans

AxelDC

11/14/17 12:37pm

To actually say the call won the game, i think it has to be on the final play

Y05

11/14/17 12:52pm

No. Never. The only bad calls are the ones that go against us.

lightmann

11/14/17 12:56pm

Mike Reed had a nice offensive PI no call against TCU in 2006

kiyoshige

11/14/17 1:40pm

That's different. There are penalties in every snap. Refs just choose not to

cougaman

11/14/17 3:11pm

nearly impossible to remember that kind of thing. so hard to say.

smokymountainrain

11/14/17 4:34pm

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