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Jan 12, 2018
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Ocho Cuatro All-American

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Ocho Cuatro

Previous username: WhyKnot
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Joined: May 14, 2011
Last login: Sep 20, 2018
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Should we be worried that Bryant might leave after this year?

Dangerous

1/12/18 7:55am

Only if he served a mission overseas.

Ocho Cuatro

1/12/18 7:56am

You can laugh, but rarely have we had this type of production out of a player

Dangerous

1/12/18 7:59am

Sorry, I just don't see it. Not as an NBA prospect. Not yet.

Indy Coug

1/12/18 8:04am

Maybe after next year. This year, no chance.

Ocho Cuatro

1/12/18 8:57am

He’s a little young to be a senior couple missionary eh?

Cougforgood

1/12/18 7:59am

He might leave as a graduate transfer after this year

4mack

1/12/18 8:06am

I don't think so. He seems really loyal to BYU. His twitter says he'll

Dangerous

1/12/18 8:08am

If he wants to go the NBA, he'd be smart to leave to a program that can

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 8:09am

That is a patently ridiculous statement.

Indy Coug

1/12/18 8:15am

Is it? BYU barely puts players in the NBA. Ever. It's just not something

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 8:20am

That's not a function of BYU's conference standing, it's a function of the players on the team

Indy Coug

1/12/18 8:23am

It's both, Indy. If Elijah was the 6th man on a good P5 team he'd be much more

Ocho Cuatro

1/12/18 8:59am

You think 6th men on good P5 teams are better prospects than the leading scorer

Broda

1/12/18 9:24am

Kentucky gets what, 4 or 5 kids drafted every year? So yes, I do think that's

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 10:09am

Gonzaga's 6th man was a lottery pick.

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 10:10am

Ahead of starters on his own team

AC_Coug

1/12/18 10:30am

exactly

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 10:44am

Not sure that supports your point. Gonzaga’s sixth man last year

AC_Coug

1/12/18 1:50pm

You think he would be the sixth man on Kentucky?

Archaea

1/12/18 10:17am

He wouldn't even be the 15th.

Belboz

1/12/18 10:55am

Trey Lyles was the 6th man on Kentucky

tboneonline

1/12/18 10:13am

Guys, he said a good P5 team, not the elite of the elite. Not talking about the

Broda

1/12/18 11:34am

and BYU gets guys drafted too.

Belboz

1/12/18 11:44am

Don't lump BYU in with Gonzaga. No comparison.

Ocho Cuatro

1/12/18 1:04pm

Says the guy lumping Duke and Kentucky in with "Good P5 teams"

Broda

1/12/18 2:04pm

Not likely.

JuicyJam

1/12/18 9:27am

If you have NBA talent the NBA will find you, wherever you play.

Return of the Yeti

1/12/18 9:49am

You would think, but not really

Ocho Cuatro

1/12/18 1:29pm

Bruno Caboclo is evidence that they will look everywhere for players.

wjman11

1/12/18 4:37pm

I'm not sure of the ability to patent

dratax

1/12/18 8:31am

I’m sure the scouts are well aware of him.

wjman11

1/12/18 8:18am

That's not how NBA scouting works.

Crush4

1/12/18 8:21am

Show me any current mock drafts that have him or Yoeli mentioned. I'll wait.

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 8:22am

And why do you think they should be mentioned?

Indy Coug

1/12/18 8:23am

Which mock draft is out there that was prepared by NBA scouts?

wjman11

1/12/18 8:24am

I'm not talking about those two individually I'm talking about NBA scouting

Crush4

1/12/18 8:26am

I'm confident the scouts were well aware of Eric Mika and Brandon Davies as well

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 8:32am

Maybe it's because guys that have played at BYU just aren't NBA players?

RaggaeCoug

1/12/18 8:35am

So, Frank Jackson would've been a first round pick after 1 season had he

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 8:40am

No way of knowing that. But Lillard was the 6th overall pick out of Weber.

RaggaeCoug

1/12/18 8:45am

It's not a direct translation, you're right. But look at BYU's history.

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 8:49am

It's the job of a scout to find talent wherever it is.

Belboz

1/12/18 9:07am

The idea that he would not have had the same exposure to NBA scouts

wjman11

1/12/18 10:39am

The NBA makes top 3 picks of guys in the middle of freaking nowhere in Europe

Indy Coug

1/12/18 8:52am

Come on now....how would Trump have phrased that statement? 😃

ByuMba90

1/12/18 8:55am

Probably not. Given he wasn't a first round pick.

JuicyJam

1/12/18 8:58am

He was on the radar of scouts already.

Belboz

1/12/18 9:05am

...and he chose a program with a rich history of putting kids in the NBA

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 9:13am

So all other 225 band members are really the ones out of step?

ByuMba90

1/12/18 9:15am

Kentucky recruits better than BYU

Belboz

1/12/18 9:22am

You're proving my point

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 10:07am

Not as I've understood your point. Your point seems to be that Kentucky CREATES

ByuMba90

1/12/18 10:30am

Anthony Davis would have been a top pick if he'd come to BYU.

Belboz

1/12/18 10:39am

Why did Frank Jackson choose Duke over BYU?

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 10:41am

A coach at BYU spent more years developing Jackson than any coach at Duke.

Belboz

1/12/18 10:43am

And that still wasn't good enough for him to stay at BYU. We aren't a program

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 10:51am

because of the coaches?

Belboz

1/12/18 10:52am

100% because of the coaches.

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 10:55am

Quincy Lewis spent more years with Frank Jackson than any coach at Duke

Belboz

1/12/18 10:58am

So, High School coaches, not college coaches are the ones responsible for

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 11:52am

No. That's not what I wrote.

Belboz

1/12/18 11:54am

But you started this crazy thread by saying "noticed". Coaching is different.

JJCoug

1/12/18 10:45am

One year is insufficient time for a program to develop a player's skills from

ByuMba90

1/12/18 11:02am

KC, Mika, and Davies have proven that they shouldn't have been drafted!

JJCoug

1/12/18 8:37am

Davies was better in the NBA than nearly half of all players drafted...

BYUCLA

1/12/18 6:59pm

These days you basically know who is going to be an NBA kid in high school.

JuicyJam

1/12/18 9:04am

So, you're saying BYU is a program that doesn't put players in the NBA because

SlippinJimmie

1/12/18 9:08am

I'm saying BYU is not an elite basketball program that is routinely

JuicyJam

1/12/18 9:16am

If they have NBA talent, they'll get a chance.

Belboz

1/12/18 10:50am

Truth hurts.

Ocho Cuatro

1/12/18 8:58am

What truth? There was no truth in that post. Just drivel.

Turnpike Lane

1/12/18 9:43am

That is absolutely false, just like like college football.

TheLoneCougar

1/12/18 11:47am

Chicken or egg? Bama gets all 4 and 5*,which have higher draft potential. So it is still the player.

Turnpike Lane

1/12/18 12:15pm

That isn't what I am disputing. Fact is, if you want to get a chance to play in

TheLoneCougar

1/12/18 12:23pm

Do mean like Paul George who played at Fresno St.?

wjman11

1/12/18 12:58pm

Like I said, an exception/outlier.

TheLoneCougar

1/12/18 1:04pm

You're calling it an exception --- I view it as evidence that NBA

wjman11

1/12/18 1:18pm

Yes, because it isn't the normal case. The majority of NBA players

TheLoneCougar

1/12/18 6:18pm

You’re mixing correlation and causation

wjman11

1/12/18 7:39pm

Would anyone agree with these points? If you disagree, which points?

dratax

1/12/18 11:35pm

One example: Frank Jackson

TheLoneCougar

1/16/18 7:12am

Do you think scouts only knew about Jackson because he went to Duke?

wjman11

1/16/18 9:42am

Because they were at BYU. Point. Set. Match.

TheLoneCougar

1/16/18 3:07pm

I'll take that as you conceding the point since you offered nothing up.

wjman11

1/16/18 3:31pm

Sure, ok.

Turnpike Lane

1/12/18 9:42am

Seems like you are more likely to be drafted higher at BYU.

CosmoK

1/12/18 9:50am

Nah. It's his game, not his team that hinders him.

QBarrister

1/12/18 1:18pm

Once and for all: if you have to ask, then the player is not NBA material. No

BYUlv

1/12/18 9:33am

Yup. And its not even 40 best players...it's 40 players with most NBA potential

Return of the Yeti

1/12/18 9:51am

Exactly. I wanted to add that, but I didn't want to go too long. I have seen

BYUlv

1/12/18 10:19am

Good points, but the OP said nothing about the NBA. Overseas is a possibility.

ArchbishopMitty

1/12/18 1:12pm

Adrielle

1/12/18 10:02am

to join Mika in Italy?

vabeachcoug

1/12/18 10:38am

Gerald-DeGroot

1/12/18 10:56am

Elijah is having a monster year. He’s not on NBA teams radar.

dwhitebud

1/12/18 11:08am

I'm not worried. I'll start getting worried if he puts up 50 or has a 20 rebound

buckeyecougarguy

1/12/18 1:02pm

LOLOLOLOL. No. Unless he pulls a Mika and leaves for Euro ball.

indojoe

1/12/18 1:16pm

There is always a risk of losing a very good player that has a degree

thebruce

1/12/18 3:03pm

RE: There is always a risk of losing a very good player that has a degree

btown87

1/12/18 4:07pm

I doubt he would go to a lesser bball program with a worse education.

4mack

1/12/18 4:11pm

Leave to go where?

zerome4sooners

1/13/18 5:53am

No. Not at all.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/13/18 9:17am

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DaCougEye

1/13/18 9:19am

HAHA, exactly.

zerome4sooners

1/13/18 10:33am

Guys that don't go to the NBA leave early all the time

thebruce

1/13/18 10:55am

And Mika's decision from a pragmatic standpoint was a stupid one.

Adrielle

1/13/18 11:06am

He's finishing his degree in Europe.

thebruce

1/13/18 11:12am

If I were Bryant and I read this board, I would leave early

Jizosh

1/13/18 9:32am

His middle name is Brigham...so no!!

Wear Blue

1/13/18 12:21pm

Bryant should be more worried than us if he leaves after this year

SlantRoute

1/13/18 1:04pm

Leave where? Italy?

BYUvermont

1/13/18 1:43pm

No. He’s not an NBA talent. He’s doing great though.

IronPotato

1/13/18 2:23pm

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