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Mar 12, 2018
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jkccoug
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Also, we didn't take partials at all when we were in the MWC, unlike Utah
I'm not aware of whether or not that has changed, like I said, but there's zero history of that at BYU.
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There's a fatal flaw with this argument, IMO
Byu_1988
3/12/18 11:49am
P5 means more to recruits now then it ever has
ChairmanOfTheBoard
3/12/18 11:54am
'than'
Soy Celeste
3/12/18 12:59pm
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trjohnson007
3/12/18 4:46pm
And he became Chairman of the Board. Not bad!
Soy Celeste
3/12/18 5:30pm
I think the better comparison is to look at all teams post 2010 when realignment happened
Adrielle
3/12/18 11:55am
RE: I think the better comparison is to look at all teams post 2010 when
displacedute
3/12/18 12:52pm
If you think trying to recruit against them as an Indy is tough, try recruiting
CougarBacker
3/12/18 11:56am
Better yet, ask Boise St.
Cougtruth
3/12/18 11:59am
You do realize that BSU doesn't have anywhere near the recruiting limitations
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:02pm
OK, you are saying that BYU has unique religious limitations and
Cougtruth
3/12/18 2:41pm
I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall with you guys. You can only
CougarBacker
3/12/18 3:07pm
CB has a lot of critics, complainers and defeatists, often
Benfica1
3/12/18 3:17pm
Yes, ^^^^^ Thank you
Pretorian
3/12/18 4:29pm
Boise is a perfect example of winning leading to better recruiting, BYU
Benfica1
3/12/18 12:43pm
Like what?
Byu_1988
3/12/18 12:00pm
If you think the top recruits care one bit about playing for a MWC championship
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:05pm
Recruits aren't buying what we're selling.
Metallicat
3/12/18 12:43pm
It cracks me up that you guys actually think this would improve being in the MWC
CougarBacker
3/12/18 1:53pm
Not saying it would get better. We're saying this is who we've always been.
Metallicat
3/12/18 2:18pm
Nobody said Indy would improve our recruiting success. What I've said is that
CougarBacker
3/12/18 2:22pm
If that's such a draw for recruits, then why has recruiting been worse in indy?
Byu_1988
3/12/18 12:45pm
Because we're not winning
Ryan M
3/12/18 1:40pm
And we're not winning because we're trying too hard to punch above our weight
Byu_1988
3/12/18 1:47pm
RE: And we're not winning because we're trying too hard to punch above our
CougarBacker
3/12/18 1:55pm
Lol
Byu_1988
3/12/18 1:57pm
Yeah I'm not a fan of sharing a program with a bunch of whiny quitters who would
CougarBacker
3/12/18 2:10pm
If you want to continue to chase an unreachable goal, go ahead
Byu_1988
3/12/18 2:37pm
Haha! You think seats are empty now. Go on and head back to the MWC. Those loyal
CougarBacker
3/12/18 3:09pm
Last year had plenty of winnable games... We didn't lose them due to independenc
Ryan M
3/12/18 2:15pm
No, BYU has been cheap with resources. They are making changes. BYU has and
BYUButters
3/13/18 1:08am
Some fans don't care about trying to compete. They just want wins and don't
CougarBacker
3/13/18 10:01am
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
ColonelMustard
3/12/18 8:31pm
RE: If that's such a draw for recruits, then why has recruiting been worse in
CougarBacker
3/12/18 1:54pm
Agree, but BYU also isn’t in Logan. The culture shock for their guys coming from
Alpi Gusto
3/12/18 12:02pm
I think you understand what I'm saying though. A move to the MWC is a choice
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:06pm
Yep, absolutely. I just wanted to put an irrelevant observation out there
Alpi Gusto
3/12/18 12:07pm
Um... we are considered to be in the same boat with Boise...
Coug
3/12/18 1:52pm
Nah we wouldn't compete with BSU recruiting. BSU has much looser enrance
CougarBacker
3/12/18 2:13pm
BYU's admissions for athletes are equivalent to Boise's.
displacedute
3/12/18 2:25pm
Yea, Boise's honor code is equivalent to BYU's. They know what we deal with.
coolblue
3/12/18 4:54pm
The honor code is not "looser enrance [sic] standards"
displacedute
3/12/18 5:21pm
It's the excuse drum that a lot like to bang around here... you're spot on
Coug
3/12/18 6:21pm
It certainly is when it comes to getting Cornerbacks and WR's. Any cougarfan
mtnKat
3/12/18 9:37pm
He's not a BYU fan. Keep in mind when speaking with yewts, no matter what they
CougarBacker
3/12/18 10:07pm
Good point. Forgot who I was addressing.
mtnKat
3/13/18 7:38am
Do we really take that many partial qualifiers? I remember GC tried some different recruiting tactics like this, i
morningcalmcougar
3/13/18 7:42pm
We have never taken unlimited partial qualifiers. We could, but we don't.
jkccoug
3/12/18 11:04pm
Also, we didn't take partials at all when we were in the MWC, unlike Utah
jkccoug
3/12/18 11:06pm
You have one on your team right now.
displacedute
3/12/18 11:20pm
Apparently you didn't read his posts
CougarBacker
3/12/18 11:35pm
One. Sounds like we're not exactly relying on partial qualifiers
jkccoug
3/13/18 10:01pm
One that is public. I don't have transcripts for every BYU player.
displacedute
3/13/18 10:11pm
dang i'm a hack. I made a huge post about this that you summed up in fewer words.
ColonelMustard
3/12/18 8:32pm
To further throw salt into the wound, BYU's classes are very incomplete
mudpupper
3/12/18 11:56am
of course that is true. we have been passed. what sucks is that they started
johnnycarson
3/12/18 11:58am
but nobody is actually saying we will compete with utah. we won't. we need
johnnycarson
3/12/18 11:59am
Exactly.
Byu_1988
3/12/18 12:06pm
So the solution is to give up and not try to compete then? Okay got it
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:08pm
yes. we give up and fight a different fight. cause going to an ny6 game
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:11pm
So you think moving to the MWC makes us able to compete with LSU and not ever
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:15pm
ha. no. we will never compete with playoff caliber teams.
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:17pm
Spoken like a true quitter.
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:18pm
you're welcome to continue bringing a knife to a gunfight, but its killing the
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:20pm
Actually it's nowhere near clear
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:24pm
RE: ha. no. we will never compete with playoff caliber teams.
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:19pm
No, the solution is to be realistic about our goals and capabilities.
Byu_1988
3/12/18 12:50pm
RE: No, the solution is to be realistic about our goals and capabilities.
CougarBacker
3/12/18 1:55pm
You're right. But in order to try to keep up, Indy is better due to the schedules it offers to kids. And $$ to BYU.
Turnpike Lane
3/12/18 11:59am
kids don't care. if they did we'd have better recruitnig numbers the last 8 yrs
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:00pm
Why would kids care about the MWC?
SoCalCoug
3/12/18 12:06pm
an ny6 game and some fan momentum. we won't get worse talent in the mwc.
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:08pm
Yes we will get worse talent. We would never beat a P5 school again head to head
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:15pm
we will not get worse talent than we get now. we are already behind every p5
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:17pm
Please tell me you're not really this dense. Right now we do win some recruiting
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:26pm
maybe you should read up on recruiting rankings before you argue anything.
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:36pm
Honestly at this point, I'm just going to chalk you up as a quitter who is too
CougarBacker
3/12/18 1:56pm
We have a lot of CBers with defeatist attitudes that contribute to the problem
Benfica1
3/12/18 12:40pm
No we can't. We would rarely if ever beat any P5 team in a head to head
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:12pm
We already have zero to offer compared to P5 teams.
Metallicat
3/12/18 12:45pm
Incorrect! We have less to offer them right now. We would have zero to offer
CougarBacker
3/12/18 1:58pm
What I'm starting to gather is that their are way more quitters in the BYU
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:11pm
ummmmm, we're not competing. do you think we are competing?
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:12pm
you really think a team with 70+ talent is gonna go beat LSU on the road?
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:13pm
Most BYu fans I know would flee the fanbase if we did this. So pick your poison
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:17pm
you think the fanbase is excited now?
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:20pm
Nope and they would be even less excited if we go running back to the MWC
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:26pm
I'm excited about BYU football.
Benfica1
3/12/18 12:47pm
You have yet to tell me why or how that changes by going to the MWC. I fully
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:16pm
you think we are going to be recruiting worse than g5 teams by joining the mwc?
johnnycarson
3/12/18 12:22pm
I don't know. The BSU's of the world don't have the same recruiting disadvantage
CougarBacker
3/12/18 12:28pm
We played multiple NY6 teams last year. Yet you want to go back to the MWC to
BYUButters
3/13/18 1:09am
AAC is much more likely than MWC. The latter just isn't going to happen.
timpjynx
3/12/18 12:04pm
Nobody is denying that there is a perception that goes with the p5 moniker, as
Benfica1
3/12/18 12:16pm
Also, BYU picked up some big transfer recruits after the initial Sitake season
Benfica1
3/12/18 12:18pm
There is a fatal flaw with your logic as well
Croweater
3/12/18 1:21pm
And I believe that independence does have something to do with poor recruiting
Byu_1988
3/12/18 1:36pm
And you’d be wrong. Stop blaming Independence. Blame PAC-12 /B12 snubs
Croweater
3/12/18 1:49pm
Except that none of those things have anything to do with being independent
CougarBacker
3/12/18 2:00pm
Yep, and if our recruiting hadn't suffered because of independence
Byu_1988
3/12/18 2:42pm
It's really shortsighted and nonsensical to think that our recruiting suffered
CougarBacker
3/12/18 3:12pm
In the decade prior to 2017, BYU defeated 49% of its P5 opponents.
Gorum the Old
3/12/18 1:47pm
Cracks me up that people think 1 season is a trend
CougarBacker
3/12/18 2:01pm
Since Crowton retired you've done poorly against P5 teams.
displacedute
3/12/18 3:06pm
I don't understand why people want to blame independence for this. Blame
CougarBacker
3/12/18 3:14pm
There's a fatal flaw with your argument as well. Waaaaaay too many differences
Extra Biscuits
3/12/18 2:20pm
Maybe I should learn to read
Extra Biscuits
3/12/18 2:22pm
Fatal?
Unibro
3/12/18 3:15pm
RE: There's a fatal flaw with this argument, IMO
Gerald-DeGroot
3/12/18 3:58pm
To what end? What is your point? SO i guess we should just fall in a heap and
Pretorian
3/12/18 4:05pm
There's a fatal flaw in *your* argument...
jomo
3/12/18 4:48pm
I mean no disrespect but I think there is a flaw in your thinking
ColonelMustard
3/12/18 7:43pm
Maybe we can all just agree that in either case winning would make things better. And winning as an independent would
ColonelMustard
3/12/18 8:34pm
Amen. Tougher schedule=more losses=worse recruiting
canofpicante
3/12/18 10:21pm
LOL dumbing down the schedule will have the opposite effect you think it will
CougarBacker
3/12/18 10:33pm
LOL how do you think we became who we are?
canofpicante
3/13/18 3:32pm
We became who we are because we had a legendary coach who got the best out of
CougarBacker
3/13/18 4:25pm
We became who we are dominanting inferior foes in a small conference
canofpicante
3/21/18 6:18pm
Just like Gonzaga became who they are....
Benfica1
3/21/18 6:31pm
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trjohnson007
3/23/18 9:52am
Everything you just posted is irrelevant. You are completely missing the point
CougarBacker
3/23/18 10:18am
Hmmm. I personally loved watching BYU play. Back in the day
Benfica1
3/23/18 10:44am
2 things here. You are right in the fact that things are somewhat different now
CougarBacker
3/23/18 10:56am
Nope. Just liked seeing the team play...
Benfica1
3/23/18 12:01pm
I agree, but I don't think that has anything to do with being Indy
CougarBacker
3/23/18 12:54pm
Agree. My comment wasn't about independence... which I like.
Benfica1
3/23/18 2:37pm
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trjohnson007
3/23/18 12:18pm
You're like talking to a brick wall. The point is flying right past you.
CougarBacker
3/23/18 12:56pm
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trjohnson007
3/23/18 2:35pm
RE: Bless your heart.
CougarBacker
3/23/18 2:43pm
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trjohnson007
3/23/18 12:36pm
Sure buddy
CougarBacker
3/23/18 12:56pm
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