That's because we're not winning. Winning changes that

The Nebraska win was pretty fun.

SandYFan

3/13/18 1:57pm

probably the most fun sporting event of my life (spectating)

Mayor of Cougartown

3/13/18 2:05pm

Fun but, Nebraska was 6 and 7 that year. Meh

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:41pm

Yet a 6-7 Nebraska is still better and more interesting than any 11-2 MWC team

Extra Biscuits

3/13/18 6:09pm

The MWCers don't seem to understand this for some reason

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:35pm

I agree to a point. The problem is as Indy it's just an exhibition game with no

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:20am

What recruit do you know that wants to play for a MWC championship? You don't

CougarBacker

3/14/18 9:37am

The facts state yes. Recruiting has gone down since 2011. 2017 was the first

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:00pm

You're absolutely wrong about the recruiting. Our recruiting issues have nothing

CougarBacker

3/14/18 6:11pm

Why does that matter? They were 0-0 when we beat them. When Mitch caught the...

COACHdrn

3/13/18 9:09pm

Joining the AAC doesn't mean BYU can't play Nebraska or Texas anymore

BYU Fan

3/14/18 10:21am

But it would make scheduling MUCH more difficult. BYU as an Indy helps their SOS, win or lose.

morningcalmcougar

3/14/18 10:38am

I think we pretty much killed Wisconsin's OOC SOS last year

BYU Fan

3/14/18 11:17am

I fail to understand how anything you just posted doesn't become worse in mwc

CougarBacker

3/14/18 11:24am

I don't want to move back to the MWC

BYU Fan

3/14/18 11:54am

I could be convinced that the AAC is a good place for us. Much more so than

CougarBacker

3/14/18 12:00pm

I'm afraid the money is going to dry up if we don't start winning

BYU Fan

3/14/18 12:15pm

I think you're putting way too much credence on 1 bad season. Other than last

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:20pm

Maybe so - hopefully they can get things turned around next year

BYU Fan

3/14/18 1:40pm

You're right. You shouldn't take one season. Unless you also got a 90+ recruit-

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:09pm

Why are you talking SOS for FB. It doesn't matter for Indy teams not named ND.

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:05pm

You're reading that clause wrong. You'll never convince me that a 11-1 or

CougarBacker

3/14/18 6:12pm

Independence is way better than MWC.

Turnpike Lane

3/13/18 1:59pm

Independence isn't way better than the MWC was...

Coug

3/13/18 2:05pm

Except those days are over and not coming back. There is no going back to it. You might as well wish you were 12 again.

Turnpike Lane

3/13/18 2:09pm

I agree that in the MWC that can't be offered anymore

Coug

3/13/18 2:16pm

Did we ever get USC and Washington at home in the same season in a G5 conference?

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:26pm

We had USC & Notre Dame at home the same season

CaliWG

3/13/18 2:27pm

Thanks for the rebuttal. Next question did we average 4+ P5 games a year in a G5 conference?

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:29pm

Why does it matter?

Coug

3/13/18 2:35pm

Games against legit opponents. More opportunities to travel to CFB meccas. Youd have to have eaten paint chips as a kid

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:41pm

I'd rather play an AAC schedule...

Coug

3/13/18 3:27pm

I believe that Navy, Houston, Memphis, Boise, UCF, and USF are all legit

BYU Fan

3/14/18 12:03pm

You have to seperate today's college football landscape from 10-15-20 years ago

CougarBacker

3/14/18 12:12pm

That wasn't the aim of the scheduling strategy

CaliWG

3/13/18 2:39pm

Bingo. We can do what we want. If we want 4 P5's a year in the MWC we can. It's

Cougarfan777

3/13/18 10:25pm

Yet we can’t schedule 5, 6, 7, or 8 P5 teams, can we? Playing those teams is

Extra Biscuits

3/13/18 10:34pm

Yes, you can schedule 5, 6, 7,.. P5 exhibition games.

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:41am

2004. We had USC, Notre Dame at home, and Stanford and Boise on the road

Cougarfan777

3/13/18 10:23pm

No we won't be able to do that in the future. As soon as we go mwc, we are no

CougarBacker

3/13/18 10:40pm

Seriously this is ridiculous...

Coug

3/14/18 10:15am

If I really have to explain this to you, it's probably not worth explaining it

CougarBacker

3/14/18 11:18am

Cause you can't explain it...

Coug

3/14/18 12:21pm

Actually I've explained it multiple times already. I'm not interested in

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:21pm

You are looking at name of teams, not quality of opponent.

Coug

3/13/18 2:34pm

Or both of them. Was Texas down when we beat them absolutely. So was Michigan State but they were coming off a Playoff

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:43pm

I'm with you in not wanting the MWC...

Coug

3/13/18 3:23pm

Doesn't do any good if you cant cross the 50!

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:53pm

I'm pretty sure BlackShirts is a UU troll.

Benfica1

3/13/18 8:45pm

I'm sure you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:29am

Now who's the dumb one? I'm not even a knife.

Benfica1

3/14/18 8:02am

Blackshirts when every yewt fan on the planet is pining for BYU to return to the

CougarBacker

3/14/18 9:38am

I'm glad you said that. It the #1 reason BYU fans still hold on to INDY. They're

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:11pm

No it's not. We hold on to it because it makes more sense than begging the

CougarBacker

3/14/18 6:13pm

One main difference is that P5 conferences consider independent BYU a P5 game, so it is easier to schedule us

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 7:10pm

Navy, Cincinnati and someone else is also considered P5..

Coug

3/13/18 8:28pm

Army is "considered" P5. It is not a private cool club.

blackshirts

3/13/18 8:31pm

@Benfica1, why thumbs down? It is true. Army is considered P5.

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:36am

When did games against Cincinnati get P5 recognition? Must have missed that. Agree that Army qualifying is ????

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 8:36pm

Army & Navy are because P5's like Notre Dame have a traditional yearly game

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:37pm

Exactly my point. By moving to ANY G5, our ability to schedule meaningful P5 games is greatly reduced

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 8:40pm

Oh don't get me wrong, I 100% agree. People who want to go back are shortsighted

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:44pm

We are shortsighted because we float out things like being "considered" is something important...

Coug

3/14/18 1:39pm

You're shortsighted because you don't understand what a terrible financial

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:42pm

Financially...

Coug

3/14/18 1:52pm

You know I've already spelled out all of this multiple times in this thread

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:55pm

But nobody in the MWC is. How odd?

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:36pm

Can you show me anywhere where I have said let's go back to the MWC?

Coug

3/14/18 1:53pm

Then what on earth are you arguing about? You realize that's what this thread

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:56pm

I'd say the AAC as it stands could provide that same level of competition and

The Lone Star Cougar

3/13/18 2:20pm

Key word: "WAS"

Benfica1

3/13/18 2:50pm

BYU during MWC> BYU during Independence, that is what it all boils down to. You

kolob32

3/13/18 2:34pm

I would bet money that a Taysom Hill/Jamaal team would eat the 2009 team for breakfast. We were used to being a big fish

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:45pm

I don't know the answer to this but compare the NFL players during the Max Hall

kolob32

3/13/18 2:57pm

Both were pre Indy recruits. 2017 was the first year of all Indy recruits. That

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:37pm

LOL way to cherry pick there

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:39pm

You would lose a lot of money on that bet

D.T. Survivor

3/13/18 8:59pm

Not Even Close

Tsisquan

3/13/18 11:38pm

I somewhat agree; but the false logic that so many subscribe to is that

Extra Biscuits

3/13/18 2:57pm

The problem with this argument is that you're trying to blame independence for

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:42pm

Independence is a big reason for our football issues. Its got alot to do with

kolob32

3/13/18 5:08pm

LOL I have some swampland near the great salt lake to sell you

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:10pm

Yeah, its called "Independence Rocks"

kolob32

3/13/18 5:13pm

Nope just much, much, much better than the MWC

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:15pm

With independence there is nothing on the line. It's like pick-up ball.

OpusX

3/13/18 3:14pm

That's because we're not winning. Winning changes that

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:43pm

Go see what our record will be in 2019 and tell me how fun it will be.

IronPotato

3/14/18 12:19pm

How can we go see what our record is in 2019 when we haven't played yet?

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:23pm

I enjoy the possiblity of beating Arizona, Cal, Wisonsin, Washington, and Boise

Lance71

3/13/18 2:02pm

I don't think we would even be having this conversation if BYU had a winning

crack

3/13/18 2:05pm

That is absolutely true. But if we were winning in the MWC, still a conversation

Lance71

3/13/18 3:23pm

Last few years? Last year was the only year they didn't have a winning record

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:43pm

We beat arizona, cal and Washington while winning MWC championships

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:09pm

You can't talk about 12-0 and 11-1 as if it is so "exciting" in the MWC.

Lip Gallagher

3/13/18 6:06pm

Yeah but BYU has no shot of winning those games really anymore.

ToasterChive

3/13/18 3:37pm

They do and have except last year. Your post eeks of emotional over reaction.

BYUButters

3/13/18 3:39pm

So you would rather go back to a non challenging schedule and win the MWC?

Lance71

3/13/18 3:40pm

This makes no sense to me. We have 1 bad season and all of a sudden we can't

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:45pm

It's the past 2-3 years against P5.

ToasterChive

3/13/18 4:54pm

Not true. We were 3-3 against P5's in 2016 just 2 seasons ago and all 3 losses

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:13pm

Trips to KC, Phoenix, Washington DC, New Orleans.

kccougar

3/13/18 2:05pm

My trip to Ann Arbor was epic.

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:11pm

I went to both Ann Arbor and Pasadena that year. I also went to New Orleans last year. Each venue was a great place to

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:14pm

If it wasn't, you did it wrong.

kccougar

3/13/18 2:14pm

It was awesome outside of 12pm to 3pm 😁

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:16pm

My travel to that game was as miserable as the game itself. After the game our rental car broke down and my dad and i

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:22pm

What was super memorable about the MWC?

Niiineteeen84

3/13/18 2:05pm

2001, 2006, 2007 were memorable. Winning is memorable. I just don't see that

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:14pm

Even 08 & 09 were memorable because the program was stable & the teams were good

CaliWG

3/13/18 2:26pm

Those teams were memorable becuase we beat TCU/Utah (06/07)

BYUButters

3/13/18 3:40pm

Winning is memorable? So how did you forget about every year of indy, besides

IceCreamButt

3/13/18 8:28pm

2009 was memorable, we ended the season ranked and beat Utah, plus we had a

kolob32

3/13/18 2:30pm

Being in the Top 25 was sure fun.

IronPotato

3/14/18 12:18pm

Yeah it was fun as an Indy too. For some reason you think moving to the MWC

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:24pm

My internal debate: MWC/AAC games vs Middle/Lower tier P5 games

CaliWG

3/13/18 2:14pm

Also, which school had the more memorable stretch/season the last 3 years?

boscatar

3/13/18 2:36pm

I know which one had the least memorable

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:40pm

"If BYU can still play those games" BYU won't. Look no further than Boise.

BYUButters

3/13/18 3:41pm

Boise has long-term series with us. Hosts Florida St. in '20, Oklahoma St in '21

boscatar

3/13/18 4:33pm

CSU played Alabama, Colorado, and OSU last year

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:22pm

You do of course realize that P5 conferences are slimming their G5 games right?

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:42pm

Boise finished 2017 - ranked #22 SDSU-32 Fresno St-33... in a down year

killaD

3/13/18 6:21pm

But but......look at all the money we make, plus I can see all the amazing games

kolob32

3/13/18 6:25pm

LOL at you guys thinking going back to the MWC automatically makes us better

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:42pm

I am pro mwc/aac etc. I know it won't change our team overnight but it gives us

kolob32

3/13/18 8:49pm

It doesn't though. You don't purposely decrease your money and exposure and

CougarBacker

3/13/18 9:14pm

How many wins would we have had in mwc if we were part of it last year?

kolob32

3/14/18 10:24am

The motivation to make changes and compete at a highler level wouldn't be there

BYUButters

3/14/18 10:37am

I doubt it. We likely would have been 1-3 ooc and we already went 3-3 In mwc

CougarBacker

3/14/18 11:33am

Can someone explain what our failure has to do with independence

Colorado

3/13/18 2:23pm

My point is, i am a bball guy first.... And watching football go 7-5 and bball

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:31pm

This is all run by football unfortunately. BBall is always going to take a

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:50pm

Recruiting! Even recruits know Indy is like being the Wash Gen.

blackshirts

3/13/18 7:43pm

Don't know that I agree. I think the schedules we have, the venues we play in, along with our facilities

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 7:56pm

Good comments. However, there is no NY6 access. It is basically the LV bowl.

blackshirts

3/13/18 8:12pm

I think if we have a good 10-2 type run, we probably get LV. But we do it again the next year, we would get NY6

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 8:27pm

Here is how NY6 works. There is one open G5 spot. It goes to the highest ranked

blackshirts

3/13/18 9:32pm

You have no clue what would happen if BYU went 12-0, 11-1 with one of our

CougarBacker

3/13/18 9:45pm

You state this like we have not access because we are not in a G5 conference. The rules simply state the highest ranked

morningcalmcougar

3/14/18 10:34am

You have no idea about access. We haven't won enough to be in the discussion

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:47pm

Bowl games are waaaaaay overrated. I’d rather play teams like Wisconsin

Colorado

3/13/18 8:48pm

MWC would be exponentially worse. Imagine trying to recruit against any P5 team

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:45pm

We lost to UMass last year...at home...16-10

SlantRoute

3/13/18 2:24pm

We went Indy mainly with hopes of eventually becoming part of a P5 conference. It didn't work.

lightmann

3/13/18 2:35pm

Exactly.

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:37pm

So - you think the MWC is a big attraction for recruits? Really?

Eddie

3/13/18 2:44pm

NO! I didn't say that. Don't say that people said stuff that they didn't say. Go back and read it again.

lightmann

3/13/18 2:51pm

Sorry - you seemed to be saying that indy was bad, which I interpreted as...

Eddie

3/13/18 2:54pm

I don't think Indy was a bad choice to try. But — I do think it hasn't worked out they way that we had hoped.

lightmann

3/13/18 3:27pm

CFB paradigm has changed. However, going back to G5 would be much worse than

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:10am

No we didn’t. We went Indy for “Access and Exposure”. Nice revisionist history

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:09am

Riley's fake spike. KVN @ Ole Miss. KVN SDSU. Riley Miracle vs USU. Miss St 2016

andrewg3

3/13/18 2:42pm

Heck, I'd even add Toledo as a memorable game. That was a fun one.

andrewg3

3/13/18 2:45pm

"Riley Miracle vs. USU", really? That is just so depressing for the state of BYU

Diablo and Doc

3/13/18 8:18pm

Clearly you weren't at that game. It was a solid Gary Andersen-led team with

andrewg3

3/14/18 9:37am

I watched it, that game was garbage.

Diablo and Doc

3/14/18 10:25am

You can shun Riley Nelson all you want. His team finished ranked in the Top 25.

andrewg3

3/14/18 11:58am

In spite of his QB skills. Great Defense that year wasn't it.

Diablo and Doc

3/14/18 12:15pm

It was a great D, but not as good as 2012. I would say the 2012 team was the one

andrewg3

3/14/18 1:36pm

You omit your solution

rocker

3/13/18 2:42pm

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rocker

3/13/18 2:51pm

I will be officially done with BYU athletics if the slink back to a G5 conferenc

kotacoug

3/13/18 2:44pm

Me too. I'm a 25 year season ticket holder and I would be done if we went

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:53pm

BYE, and take Cher with you.

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:49pm

Yeah that's what you should want for the BYU fanbase. Loyal season ticket

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:54pm

two GT wins were great as well.

Benfica1

3/13/18 2:49pm

Unfortunately, I am only allowed to thumbs down you once.

Freddie Cougar

3/13/18 2:55pm

You act like there are better options... hilarious

Pretorian

3/13/18 3:11pm

Honestly, i am a bball fan... I get it.... Second fiddle but the reality of

BYUheaven

3/13/18 4:26pm

Then shouldn't you feel the same about a TCU/Utahless MWC?

Lip Gallagher

3/13/18 6:07pm

Curious ... has utah's bowls been any better since they've been in the p12?

ManicBlue

3/13/18 3:17pm

I'll thumbs up you...the Indy experiment is failing; the WCC is good for

BlooCoog

3/13/18 4:23pm

You asked for a thumbs down... So I obliged

Adrielle

3/13/18 4:24pm

Reality check here people

Truerblue

3/13/18 4:41pm

Yet another reason not to go back there. We make significantly more money

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:55pm

I get your frustration but your logic flies in the face of Notre Dame. What do they have to play for in down years?

Refugee

3/13/18 4:43pm

You can't compare ND. They have about 11NC, special final4, NY6 access, and play

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:16pm

I know, I know, I know. I can still compare them with THIS specific argument the OP has made.

Refugee

3/13/18 7:35pm

You wanted me to thumbs down you so i did.

Mark320

3/13/18 4:45pm

That is 1-13 against winning P5 teams. 💣

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:10pm

Yeah we should just give up

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:15pm

112th ranked 90+ recruiting class, good recruits jumping to rival, WCC sucks.

blackshirts

3/13/18 7:54pm

I love how we've been independent for 7 years and you want to base our entire

CougarBacker

3/13/18 9:10pm

It's not just one season.

blackshirts

3/13/18 9:48pm

Not a single thing you listed has anything to do with Indy and everything to do

CougarBacker

3/13/18 9:55pm

We have only had one independent season with less than 8 wins. Only 1, IIRC, +70

IceCreamButt

3/13/18 10:17pm

Ding ding ding. We have perennially been decent as Indy with increased schedule

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:21am

the @Houston game may have been the most electric game I've ever been to

gmj81

3/13/18 5:12pm

I think a monitor added about 20 thumb downs. 😎

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:43pm

We need to also win the battle/game of Money.

stealth

3/13/18 5:45pm

I agree, but can't pass up an invite to thumbs down someone.

Ocho Cuatro

3/13/18 6:15pm

This man speaks truth. POTD

TheLoneCougar

3/13/18 6:51pm

I gave you a thumbs down just because you said I could....

BlueFever

3/13/18 7:39pm

Very grateful that you don't have a vote. It is likely that you go on a rant 2

Rocketman

3/13/18 7:44pm

What's memorable about the MWC?

icecougar

3/13/18 8:15pm

Beating utah in 2007 and 2009, being ranked in top 25, beating ucla and oregon

kolob32

3/13/18 8:33pm

Everything you just listed had nothing to do with the MWC and playing good teams

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:23am

The question was what was memorable about the mwc. I think I answered the questi

kolob32

3/14/18 10:41am

The MWC was memorable because we beat Utah/TCU. Not because we beat up the

BYUButters

3/14/18 11:20am

The whining is strong in this group.

Benfica1

3/13/18 8:29pm

If you are going to earn 66 thumbs downs, that's a good way to do it.

Cougarfan777

3/13/18 10:18pm

The truth is polarizing. The fantasy land that exist in the “MWC” with decrease

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:25am

Here's the thing though: Would going back to the MWC bring us back what

gwalker

3/14/18 11:19am

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