We are shortsighted because we float out things like being "considered" is something important...

Mar 14, 2018
1:39:15pm

Coug All-American

Recruits don't care if Alabama considers a P5... they care about whether you are or you aren't... and we very much are in the not P5 category. We are every bit as equal to Navy, Army, Cincinnati, SMU, Boise... only problem is that we are playing games for fun and for nothing... they are at least playing games to win a conference championship and the chance to play for a bigger bowl.

You're trying to equate being considered as a P5 game by the conferences, like PuttPutt is real golf game.

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Thumbs down me all you want

BYUheaven

3/13/18 1:56pm

The Nebraska win was pretty fun.

SandYFan

3/13/18 1:57pm

probably the most fun sporting event of my life (spectating)

Mayor of Cougartown

3/13/18 2:05pm

Fun but, Nebraska was 6 and 7 that year. Meh

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:41pm

Yet a 6-7 Nebraska is still better and more interesting than any 11-2 MWC team

Extra Biscuits

3/13/18 6:09pm

The MWCers don't seem to understand this for some reason

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:35pm

I agree to a point. The problem is as Indy it's just an exhibition game with no

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:20am

What recruit do you know that wants to play for a MWC championship? You don't

CougarBacker

3/14/18 9:37am

The facts state yes. Recruiting has gone down since 2011. 2017 was the first

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:00pm

You're absolutely wrong about the recruiting. Our recruiting issues have nothing

CougarBacker

3/14/18 6:11pm

Why does that matter? They were 0-0 when we beat them. When Mitch caught the...

COACHdrn

3/13/18 9:09pm

Joining the AAC doesn't mean BYU can't play Nebraska or Texas anymore

BYU Fan

3/14/18 10:21am

But it would make scheduling MUCH more difficult. BYU as an Indy helps their SOS, win or lose.

morningcalmcougar

3/14/18 10:38am

I think we pretty much killed Wisconsin's OOC SOS last year

BYU Fan

3/14/18 11:17am

I fail to understand how anything you just posted doesn't become worse in mwc

CougarBacker

3/14/18 11:24am

I don't want to move back to the MWC

BYU Fan

3/14/18 11:54am

I could be convinced that the AAC is a good place for us. Much more so than

CougarBacker

3/14/18 12:00pm

I'm afraid the money is going to dry up if we don't start winning

BYU Fan

3/14/18 12:15pm

I think you're putting way too much credence on 1 bad season. Other than last

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:20pm

Maybe so - hopefully they can get things turned around next year

BYU Fan

3/14/18 1:40pm

You're right. You shouldn't take one season. Unless you also got a 90+ recruit-

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:09pm

Why are you talking SOS for FB. It doesn't matter for Indy teams not named ND.

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:05pm

You're reading that clause wrong. You'll never convince me that a 11-1 or

CougarBacker

3/14/18 6:12pm

Independence is way better than MWC.

Turnpike Lane

3/13/18 1:59pm

Independence isn't way better than the MWC was...

Coug

3/13/18 2:05pm

Except those days are over and not coming back. There is no going back to it. You might as well wish you were 12 again.

Turnpike Lane

3/13/18 2:09pm

I agree that in the MWC that can't be offered anymore

Coug

3/13/18 2:16pm

Did we ever get USC and Washington at home in the same season in a G5 conference?

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:26pm

We had USC & Notre Dame at home the same season

CaliWG

3/13/18 2:27pm

Thanks for the rebuttal. Next question did we average 4+ P5 games a year in a G5 conference?

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:29pm

Why does it matter?

Coug

3/13/18 2:35pm

Games against legit opponents. More opportunities to travel to CFB meccas. Youd have to have eaten paint chips as a kid

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:41pm

I'd rather play an AAC schedule...

Coug

3/13/18 3:27pm

I believe that Navy, Houston, Memphis, Boise, UCF, and USF are all legit

BYU Fan

3/14/18 12:03pm

You have to seperate today's college football landscape from 10-15-20 years ago

CougarBacker

3/14/18 12:12pm

That wasn't the aim of the scheduling strategy

CaliWG

3/13/18 2:39pm

Bingo. We can do what we want. If we want 4 P5's a year in the MWC we can. It's

Cougarfan777

3/13/18 10:25pm

Yet we can’t schedule 5, 6, 7, or 8 P5 teams, can we? Playing those teams is

Extra Biscuits

3/13/18 10:34pm

Yes, you can schedule 5, 6, 7,.. P5 exhibition games.

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:41am

2004. We had USC, Notre Dame at home, and Stanford and Boise on the road

Cougarfan777

3/13/18 10:23pm

No we won't be able to do that in the future. As soon as we go mwc, we are no

CougarBacker

3/13/18 10:40pm

Seriously this is ridiculous...

Coug

3/14/18 10:15am

If I really have to explain this to you, it's probably not worth explaining it

CougarBacker

3/14/18 11:18am

Cause you can't explain it...

Coug

3/14/18 12:21pm

Actually I've explained it multiple times already. I'm not interested in

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:21pm

You are looking at name of teams, not quality of opponent.

Coug

3/13/18 2:34pm

Or both of them. Was Texas down when we beat them absolutely. So was Michigan State but they were coming off a Playoff

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:43pm

I'm with you in not wanting the MWC...

Coug

3/13/18 3:23pm

Doesn't do any good if you cant cross the 50!

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:53pm

I'm pretty sure BlackShirts is a UU troll.

Benfica1

3/13/18 8:45pm

I'm sure you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:29am

Now who's the dumb one? I'm not even a knife.

Benfica1

3/14/18 8:02am

Blackshirts when every yewt fan on the planet is pining for BYU to return to the

CougarBacker

3/14/18 9:38am

I'm glad you said that. It the #1 reason BYU fans still hold on to INDY. They're

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:11pm

No it's not. We hold on to it because it makes more sense than begging the

CougarBacker

3/14/18 6:13pm

One main difference is that P5 conferences consider independent BYU a P5 game, so it is easier to schedule us

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 7:10pm

Navy, Cincinnati and someone else is also considered P5..

Coug

3/13/18 8:28pm

Army is "considered" P5. It is not a private cool club.

blackshirts

3/13/18 8:31pm

@Benfica1, why thumbs down? It is true. Army is considered P5.

blackshirts

3/14/18 6:36am

When did games against Cincinnati get P5 recognition? Must have missed that. Agree that Army qualifying is ????

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 8:36pm

Army & Navy are because P5's like Notre Dame have a traditional yearly game

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:37pm

Exactly my point. By moving to ANY G5, our ability to schedule meaningful P5 games is greatly reduced

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 8:40pm

Oh don't get me wrong, I 100% agree. People who want to go back are shortsighted

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:44pm

We are shortsighted because we float out things like being "considered" is something important...

Coug

3/14/18 1:39pm

You're shortsighted because you don't understand what a terrible financial

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:42pm

Financially...

Coug

3/14/18 1:52pm

You know I've already spelled out all of this multiple times in this thread

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:55pm

But nobody in the MWC is. How odd?

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:36pm

Can you show me anywhere where I have said let's go back to the MWC?

Coug

3/14/18 1:53pm

Then what on earth are you arguing about? You realize that's what this thread

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:56pm

I'd say the AAC as it stands could provide that same level of competition and

The Lone Star Cougar

3/13/18 2:20pm

Key word: "WAS"

Benfica1

3/13/18 2:50pm

BYU during MWC> BYU during Independence, that is what it all boils down to. You

kolob32

3/13/18 2:34pm

I would bet money that a Taysom Hill/Jamaal team would eat the 2009 team for breakfast. We were used to being a big fish

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:45pm

I don't know the answer to this but compare the NFL players during the Max Hall

kolob32

3/13/18 2:57pm

Both were pre Indy recruits. 2017 was the first year of all Indy recruits. That

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:37pm

LOL way to cherry pick there

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:39pm

You would lose a lot of money on that bet

D.T. Survivor

3/13/18 8:59pm

Not Even Close

Tsisquan

3/13/18 11:38pm

I somewhat agree; but the false logic that so many subscribe to is that

Extra Biscuits

3/13/18 2:57pm

The problem with this argument is that you're trying to blame independence for

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:42pm

Independence is a big reason for our football issues. Its got alot to do with

kolob32

3/13/18 5:08pm

LOL I have some swampland near the great salt lake to sell you

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:10pm

Yeah, its called "Independence Rocks"

kolob32

3/13/18 5:13pm

Nope just much, much, much better than the MWC

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:15pm

With independence there is nothing on the line. It's like pick-up ball.

OpusX

3/13/18 3:14pm

That's because we're not winning. Winning changes that

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:43pm

Go see what our record will be in 2019 and tell me how fun it will be.

IronPotato

3/14/18 12:19pm

How can we go see what our record is in 2019 when we haven't played yet?

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:23pm

I enjoy the possiblity of beating Arizona, Cal, Wisonsin, Washington, and Boise

Lance71

3/13/18 2:02pm

I don't think we would even be having this conversation if BYU had a winning

crack

3/13/18 2:05pm

That is absolutely true. But if we were winning in the MWC, still a conversation

Lance71

3/13/18 3:23pm

Last few years? Last year was the only year they didn't have a winning record

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:43pm

We beat arizona, cal and Washington while winning MWC championships

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:09pm

You can't talk about 12-0 and 11-1 as if it is so "exciting" in the MWC.

Lip Gallagher

3/13/18 6:06pm

Yeah but BYU has no shot of winning those games really anymore.

ToasterChive

3/13/18 3:37pm

They do and have except last year. Your post eeks of emotional over reaction.

BYUButters

3/13/18 3:39pm

So you would rather go back to a non challenging schedule and win the MWC?

Lance71

3/13/18 3:40pm

This makes no sense to me. We have 1 bad season and all of a sudden we can't

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:45pm

It's the past 2-3 years against P5.

ToasterChive

3/13/18 4:54pm

Not true. We were 3-3 against P5's in 2016 just 2 seasons ago and all 3 losses

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:13pm

Trips to KC, Phoenix, Washington DC, New Orleans.

kccougar

3/13/18 2:05pm

My trip to Ann Arbor was epic.

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:11pm

I went to both Ann Arbor and Pasadena that year. I also went to New Orleans last year. Each venue was a great place to

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:14pm

If it wasn't, you did it wrong.

kccougar

3/13/18 2:14pm

It was awesome outside of 12pm to 3pm 😁

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:16pm

My travel to that game was as miserable as the game itself. After the game our rental car broke down and my dad and i

monkeycowboy

3/13/18 2:22pm

What was super memorable about the MWC?

Niiineteeen84

3/13/18 2:05pm

2001, 2006, 2007 were memorable. Winning is memorable. I just don't see that

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:14pm

Even 08 & 09 were memorable because the program was stable & the teams were good

CaliWG

3/13/18 2:26pm

Those teams were memorable becuase we beat TCU/Utah (06/07)

BYUButters

3/13/18 3:40pm

Winning is memorable? So how did you forget about every year of indy, besides

IceCreamButt

3/13/18 8:28pm

2009 was memorable, we ended the season ranked and beat Utah, plus we had a

kolob32

3/13/18 2:30pm

Being in the Top 25 was sure fun.

IronPotato

3/14/18 12:18pm

Yeah it was fun as an Indy too. For some reason you think moving to the MWC

CougarBacker

3/14/18 1:24pm

My internal debate: MWC/AAC games vs Middle/Lower tier P5 games

CaliWG

3/13/18 2:14pm

Also, which school had the more memorable stretch/season the last 3 years?

boscatar

3/13/18 2:36pm

I know which one had the least memorable

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:40pm

"If BYU can still play those games" BYU won't. Look no further than Boise.

BYUButters

3/13/18 3:41pm

Boise has long-term series with us. Hosts Florida St. in '20, Oklahoma St in '21

boscatar

3/13/18 4:33pm

CSU played Alabama, Colorado, and OSU last year

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:22pm

You do of course realize that P5 conferences are slimming their G5 games right?

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:42pm

Boise finished 2017 - ranked #22 SDSU-32 Fresno St-33... in a down year

killaD

3/13/18 6:21pm

But but......look at all the money we make, plus I can see all the amazing games

kolob32

3/13/18 6:25pm

LOL at you guys thinking going back to the MWC automatically makes us better

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:42pm

I am pro mwc/aac etc. I know it won't change our team overnight but it gives us

kolob32

3/13/18 8:49pm

It doesn't though. You don't purposely decrease your money and exposure and

CougarBacker

3/13/18 9:14pm

How many wins would we have had in mwc if we were part of it last year?

kolob32

3/14/18 10:24am

The motivation to make changes and compete at a highler level wouldn't be there

BYUButters

3/14/18 10:37am

I doubt it. We likely would have been 1-3 ooc and we already went 3-3 In mwc

CougarBacker

3/14/18 11:33am

Can someone explain what our failure has to do with independence

Colorado

3/13/18 2:23pm

My point is, i am a bball guy first.... And watching football go 7-5 and bball

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:31pm

This is all run by football unfortunately. BBall is always going to take a

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:50pm

Recruiting! Even recruits know Indy is like being the Wash Gen.

blackshirts

3/13/18 7:43pm

Don't know that I agree. I think the schedules we have, the venues we play in, along with our facilities

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 7:56pm

Good comments. However, there is no NY6 access. It is basically the LV bowl.

blackshirts

3/13/18 8:12pm

I think if we have a good 10-2 type run, we probably get LV. But we do it again the next year, we would get NY6

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 8:27pm

Here is how NY6 works. There is one open G5 spot. It goes to the highest ranked

blackshirts

3/13/18 9:32pm

You have no clue what would happen if BYU went 12-0, 11-1 with one of our

CougarBacker

3/13/18 9:45pm

You state this like we have not access because we are not in a G5 conference. The rules simply state the highest ranked

morningcalmcougar

3/14/18 10:34am

You have no idea about access. We haven't won enough to be in the discussion

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:47pm

Bowl games are waaaaaay overrated. I’d rather play teams like Wisconsin

Colorado

3/13/18 8:48pm

MWC would be exponentially worse. Imagine trying to recruit against any P5 team

CougarBacker

3/13/18 8:45pm

We lost to UMass last year...at home...16-10

SlantRoute

3/13/18 2:24pm

We went Indy mainly with hopes of eventually becoming part of a P5 conference. It didn't work.

lightmann

3/13/18 2:35pm

Exactly.

BYUheaven

3/13/18 2:37pm

So - you think the MWC is a big attraction for recruits? Really?

Eddie

3/13/18 2:44pm

NO! I didn't say that. Don't say that people said stuff that they didn't say. Go back and read it again.

lightmann

3/13/18 2:51pm

Sorry - you seemed to be saying that indy was bad, which I interpreted as...

Eddie

3/13/18 2:54pm

I don't think Indy was a bad choice to try. But — I do think it hasn't worked out they way that we had hoped.

lightmann

3/13/18 3:27pm

CFB paradigm has changed. However, going back to G5 would be much worse than

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:10am

No we didn’t. We went Indy for “Access and Exposure”. Nice revisionist history

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:09am

Riley's fake spike. KVN @ Ole Miss. KVN SDSU. Riley Miracle vs USU. Miss St 2016

andrewg3

3/13/18 2:42pm

Heck, I'd even add Toledo as a memorable game. That was a fun one.

andrewg3

3/13/18 2:45pm

"Riley Miracle vs. USU", really? That is just so depressing for the state of BYU

Diablo and Doc

3/13/18 8:18pm

Clearly you weren't at that game. It was a solid Gary Andersen-led team with

andrewg3

3/14/18 9:37am

I watched it, that game was garbage.

Diablo and Doc

3/14/18 10:25am

You can shun Riley Nelson all you want. His team finished ranked in the Top 25.

andrewg3

3/14/18 11:58am

In spite of his QB skills. Great Defense that year wasn't it.

Diablo and Doc

3/14/18 12:15pm

It was a great D, but not as good as 2012. I would say the 2012 team was the one

andrewg3

3/14/18 1:36pm

You omit your solution

rocker

3/13/18 2:42pm

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rocker

3/13/18 2:51pm

I will be officially done with BYU athletics if the slink back to a G5 conferenc

kotacoug

3/13/18 2:44pm

Me too. I'm a 25 year season ticket holder and I would be done if we went

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:53pm

BYE, and take Cher with you.

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:49pm

Yeah that's what you should want for the BYU fanbase. Loyal season ticket

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:54pm

two GT wins were great as well.

Benfica1

3/13/18 2:49pm

Unfortunately, I am only allowed to thumbs down you once.

Freddie Cougar

3/13/18 2:55pm

You act like there are better options... hilarious

Pretorian

3/13/18 3:11pm

Honestly, i am a bball fan... I get it.... Second fiddle but the reality of

BYUheaven

3/13/18 4:26pm

Then shouldn't you feel the same about a TCU/Utahless MWC?

Lip Gallagher

3/13/18 6:07pm

Curious ... has utah's bowls been any better since they've been in the p12?

ManicBlue

3/13/18 3:17pm

I'll thumbs up you...the Indy experiment is failing; the WCC is good for

BlooCoog

3/13/18 4:23pm

You asked for a thumbs down... So I obliged

Adrielle

3/13/18 4:24pm

Reality check here people

Truerblue

3/13/18 4:41pm

Yet another reason not to go back there. We make significantly more money

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:55pm

I get your frustration but your logic flies in the face of Notre Dame. What do they have to play for in down years?

Refugee

3/13/18 4:43pm

You can't compare ND. They have about 11NC, special final4, NY6 access, and play

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:16pm

I know, I know, I know. I can still compare them with THIS specific argument the OP has made.

Refugee

3/13/18 7:35pm

You wanted me to thumbs down you so i did.

Mark320

3/13/18 4:45pm

That is 1-13 against winning P5 teams. 💣

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:10pm

Yeah we should just give up

CougarBacker

3/13/18 5:15pm

112th ranked 90+ recruiting class, good recruits jumping to rival, WCC sucks.

blackshirts

3/13/18 7:54pm

I love how we've been independent for 7 years and you want to base our entire

CougarBacker

3/13/18 9:10pm

It's not just one season.

blackshirts

3/13/18 9:48pm

Not a single thing you listed has anything to do with Indy and everything to do

CougarBacker

3/13/18 9:55pm

We have only had one independent season with less than 8 wins. Only 1, IIRC, +70

IceCreamButt

3/13/18 10:17pm

Ding ding ding. We have perennially been decent as Indy with increased schedule

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:21am

the @Houston game may have been the most electric game I've ever been to

gmj81

3/13/18 5:12pm

I think a monitor added about 20 thumb downs. 😎

blackshirts

3/13/18 5:43pm

We need to also win the battle/game of Money.

stealth

3/13/18 5:45pm

I agree, but can't pass up an invite to thumbs down someone.

Ocho Cuatro

3/13/18 6:15pm

This man speaks truth. POTD

TheLoneCougar

3/13/18 6:51pm

I gave you a thumbs down just because you said I could....

BlueFever

3/13/18 7:39pm

Very grateful that you don't have a vote. It is likely that you go on a rant 2

Rocketman

3/13/18 7:44pm

What's memorable about the MWC?

icecougar

3/13/18 8:15pm

Beating utah in 2007 and 2009, being ranked in top 25, beating ucla and oregon

kolob32

3/13/18 8:33pm

Everything you just listed had nothing to do with the MWC and playing good teams

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:23am

The question was what was memorable about the mwc. I think I answered the questi

kolob32

3/14/18 10:41am

The MWC was memorable because we beat Utah/TCU. Not because we beat up the

BYUButters

3/14/18 11:20am

The whining is strong in this group.

Benfica1

3/13/18 8:29pm

If you are going to earn 66 thumbs downs, that's a good way to do it.

Cougarfan777

3/13/18 10:18pm

The truth is polarizing. The fantasy land that exist in the “MWC” with decrease

BYUButters

3/14/18 12:25am

Here's the thing though: Would going back to the MWC bring us back what

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