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mosterlow
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curious where you got these numbers
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This is what's happened to the MWC while BYU has been an Independent
BYUMizzou
4/4/18 9:28am
curious where you got these numbers
mosterlow
4/4/18 9:32am
US Department of Education - from their Title IX compliance reports
BYUMizzou
4/4/18 9:33am
Yes as I watched from a sparsely attended home game vs Wisconsin last year
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 9:32am
If you want safety and no risk like 80K, then by all means advocate for going
BYUMizzou
4/4/18 9:34am
If we go 10 more years of not finishing ranked would you agree that byu
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 10:05am
No our football programs issues have nothing to do with Indy vs. MWC and
CougarBacker
4/4/18 10:08am
Ok then hypothetically though if we were ranked in the mwc before
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 10:10am
No I wouldn't. G5 is a death knell in every way
CougarBacker
4/4/18 10:15am
So is Indy
Coug
4/4/18 2:02pm
Maybe maybe not. Not nearly as quickly as MWC is. All BYU has to do to make
CougarBacker
4/4/18 2:15pm
Just as quick... and it's not a maybe...
Coug
4/4/18 2:52pm
Your premise is patently false. You have no idea what access BYU actually has
CougarBacker
4/4/18 3:12pm
3 to 4 million dollar difference is pennies when you consider...
Coug
4/4/18 5:32pm
I'm not interested in reading your whole post. But you're absolutely wrong about
CougarBacker
4/4/18 8:03pm
Our recruiting possibly can’t get worse... it’s never gotten better. Ha
Coug
4/4/18 9:28pm
Dude you can't really be this obtuse right? Right now BYU still competes for top
CougarBacker
4/4/18 10:02pm
check out our recruiting as Indy, it's the same or worse than we were in the MWC
franklyvulgar
4/5/18 3:55am
So everything I just posted went in one ear and right out the other apparently
CougarBacker
4/5/18 9:38am
This is assumed hyperbole...
Coug
4/5/18 10:02am
LOL so you just think top in state kids are going to choose G5 MWC BYU over
CougarBacker
4/5/18 11:30am
You can't see the forest through the trees
Coug
4/5/18 11:43am
Somebody hasn't looked close enough at the MWC TV deal. Get back to me when you
CougarBacker
4/5/18 11:50am
Boise has more nationally televised games because THEY ARE BETTER THAN US...
Coug
4/5/18 9:01am
You don't care wether BYU's program makes money or not, therefore your
CougarBacker
4/5/18 9:41am
What's the point?
Coug
4/5/18 10:02am
If I have to explain the point of making more money to you, then it's not worth
CougarBacker
4/5/18 11:32am
Haha....meaningless conference championship in a meaningless conference
Coug
4/5/18 11:49am
Basically every single thing you just posted is blatantly false. You're dealing
CougarBacker
4/5/18 11:53am
You're unbelievable...
Coug
4/5/18 12:08pm
LOL if you think I'm going to read that whole thing you're nuts. We have no idea
CougarBacker
4/5/18 12:15pm
You're making a huge assumption. One that a lot of people here on the board
BYUMizzou
4/5/18 12:23pm
See, I absolutely agree with what you are saying...
Coug
4/5/18 12:35pm
Winner winner chicken dinner
BYUButters
4/5/18 5:44pm
We will die AFTER all of the G5 schools. At that point we would be included
travelcoug
4/5/18 4:46pm
That's like saying "The suicide rate is higher in 2017 than in 1917, so
teancum
4/4/18 10:21am
Or maybe the schedule was just more balanced and reasonable for
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 10:23am
That argument is reasonable, I just don't think its correct.
teancum
4/4/18 10:31am
Fair enough lol at the all 12 Of them 🙂
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 10:32am
Uh yeah we went 3-3 against MWC teams last year. Not sure why people think the
CougarBacker
4/4/18 11:35am
Kalani Sitake did a poor job last year.
Richbyu
4/4/18 9:36am
Just get rid of the head coach in that case
2FarGone
4/4/18 9:44am
You don't fire a head coach for 1 poor season. He gets more opportunity
Richbyu
4/4/18 9:46am
We shouldn’t let any coach hold BYU’s decision making hostage
2FarGone
4/4/18 9:50am
Lol we haven’t finished ranked since going Indy, we haven’t beaten
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 9:54am
Actually we were ranked #25 in final rankings of 2011, first year of indy -10 Ws
gmj81
4/4/18 12:17pm
Only in one poll
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 6:18pm
Yep only an OC with multiple QB and RB injuries.
thecthdox
4/4/18 10:50am
You're being waaaaay too kind.
TeeKaa
4/4/18 10:53am
61,143 is "sparsely attended"?
Kaze
4/4/18 10:32am
The upper levels were patchy all over especially considering a top ranked
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 10:35am
61,143 is the official number. I agree, having a capacity crowd would be better
Kaze
4/4/18 10:51am
fair enuf but people were talking about the empty seats
franklyvulgar
4/4/18 10:57am
Being in a conference won't change the product on the field.
Kaze
4/4/18 11:02am
Sparsely attended? Box score says 61k paid attendance, hardly sparse
Adrielle
4/4/18 3:07pm
Interesting that SDSU has been able to somewhat keep up in terms of revenue.
TheLoneCougar
4/4/18 9:45am
Also, how in the world did UNLV have $60M in revenue in both 2009 and 2010?
BerkeleyCoug
4/4/18 9:49am
RE: Also, how in the world did UNLV have $60M in revenue in both 2009 and 2010?
TheWanderer
4/4/18 9:51am
Renting out campus athletic facilities was probably a big part of that
BYUMizzou
4/4/18 9:53am
Both of these schools, along with every other G5 program, get by with massive taxpayer subsidies. They do not pay their
CalGTR
4/4/18 12:59pm
I'm not an advocate to return to the MWC, but I think relying on this data is
BerkeleyCoug
4/4/18 9:47am
It's probably bigger than that. Per Criddle, BYUtv is now providing revenue
BYUMizzou
4/4/18 9:52am
Per the donors I know, they stop paying up so much if BYU goes to the MWC. The AD knows it.
Turnpike Lane
4/4/18 10:17am
Good point regarding donors. My opinion is that it's really hard to tie it to
BerkeleyCoug
4/4/18 11:34am
If the MWC is not as big a difference maker, then why is not even one MEMWC school even close to BYU in annual revenue.
Adrielle
4/4/18 3:01pm
It's a lot of conjecture, for both sides of argument.
CosmoK
4/4/18 3:23pm
It will be interesting to see what happens to CSU now that their #1 booster is behind bars.
AndyDwyer
4/4/18 9:48am
#shotcaller
kotacoug
4/4/18 9:50am
BYU probably only loses like $1 million a year by joining the MWC.
displacedute
4/4/18 10:40am
RE: BYU probably only loses like $1 million a year by joining the MWC.
panguitch
4/4/18 10:51am
Considering ESPN took the extension for 2019, I'm guessing you're wrong.
Turnpike Lane
4/4/18 11:46am
I'm saying ESPN's deal for BYU is like $4 million a year.
displacedute
4/4/18 12:21pm
2010: $45.4MM; 2011: $53MM
BYUMizzou
4/4/18 12:30pm
2011 - $1.3M for one-and-done at Ole Miss and $1.2M for "neutral" site TCU game.
BerkeleyCoug
4/4/18 12:37pm
You're forgetting to add back in the lost MWC revenue in 2011. I have no idea
BYUMizzou
4/4/18 1:46pm
You're right. Seems like it was around $1.5M, but I don't exactly remember.
BerkeleyCoug
4/4/18 2:11pm
Ole Miss was $900k. Where are you pulling this $1.3m figure?
mulletino
4/5/18 10:06am
Bsus deal is based on espn appearances
AC_Coug
4/4/18 11:23pm
*sigh* No matter how many times the flaws in your argument are pointed out you
Scratch
4/4/18 11:40pm
No one has disproved anything. The article you cited
AC_Coug
4/5/18 10:07pm
Nope. The BSU difference is regularly repeated in articles year after year. As
Scratch
4/5/18 10:19pm
RE: Nope. The BSU difference is regularly repeated in articles year after year.
CougarBacker
4/5/18 11:07pm
All you need to know is that the hardcore yewt fans want BYU to go to the MWC
BYUMizzou
4/6/18 7:06am
I think that BYU football is better off Indy. I just think that lots of people
Scratch
4/6/18 7:34am
Revenue actually is one of them along with a myriad of other reasons
CougarBacker
4/6/18 10:18am
What? You mean yewt fans don't have our best interest in mind? I've learned
CougarBacker
4/6/18 10:17am
I'm surprised that every school listed other than Wyoming beats Boise in revenue
CougarAndMerlin
4/4/18 1:02pm
Thanks. SDSU, UNM, and UNLV were within $5Million of BYU in 2008, NOW
Coogar2
4/4/18 2:12pm
I'm confused why Boise's revenue is lower than other MWC schools?
RdF3
4/4/18 2:38pm
Decline im truck driving school students.
Adrielle
4/4/18 3:05pm
Doesn't Boise completely destroy your entire argument? They have less $$$ than
palangi
4/4/18 3:21pm
Boise was dominant when they had Chris Peterson as coach. When he left
BYUMizzou
4/4/18 8:30pm
Crazy how many people want to sacrifice playing 4-5 NY6 caliber games during the
CougarBacker
4/4/18 10:05pm
4 or 5 NY6 caliber games? No team in the country plays that many. That would be
palangi
4/4/18 11:13pm
Yep. I would rather play top teams throughout the season.
Coogar2
4/5/18 11:28am
Boise has won 2 bcs games and a NY6. In the MWC, 1 top 10 and 4 top 25 finishes
palangi
4/4/18 10:21pm
Lol, you scoff at BSU because they were able to finish no higher than #4!
dreamlvr
4/4/18 10:57pm
Nice Strawman argument. That's not what I said or implied. What I said was
BYUMizzou
4/5/18 10:24am
More wins against who though?
AC_Coug
4/4/18 11:27pm
Yep, Indy schedules are way better, that's not debatable
palangi
4/5/18 12:13am
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