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May 27, 2018
10:55:57am

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The government has always been deeply involved in education

Universal K-12, public university system, Pell Grants, the GI bill, subsidized loans, etc. So everything the government has done has only made the situation worse? That strikes me as a statement based on ideology rather than an attempt to evaluate costs and benefits.

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I am very sympathetic towards students nowadays with huge debt, but I still feel

Game Changer

5/27/18 10:10am

There isn’t enough transparency around starting salaries based on degree

ColumbusCoug

5/27/18 10:14am

Its a messed up system, but students should know what they are doing.

Cougarrr

5/27/18 10:18am

Another problem is that so few end up in a career they

5/27/18 10:22am

Seriously kids... Go be a plumber or an electrician. No

5/27/18 10:26am

I'm glad to hear somebody is telling this to the kids. Because the ones in this

Game Changer

5/27/18 10:26am

True. But they are just 18 with varying amounts of parental know how and help

runnincoug

5/27/18 11:06am

You're right. Most of us "should" do things, but we don't. And vice versa.

Cougarrr

5/27/18 11:10am

Exactly!! Easy to say in hindsight.

Cnation

5/27/18 12:10pm

There is a lot of information online about salaries, but people don't do their

Coach's Dad

5/27/18 10:27am

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Cretin

5/27/18 10:27am

In my field, the salary data is often skewed towards those with more experience

buffgato

5/27/18 10:32am

Society does a notoriously poor job of giving kids realistic expectations

buffgato

5/27/18 10:24am

True - but at this point the situation has been going on for long enough that

crack

5/27/18 10:26am

The savvy ones do, but I think there are a lot of naive people still out there

buffgato

5/27/18 10:35am

They're told by too many people that a university degree is critical for success

Belboz

5/27/18 10:49am

That, and you shouldn't settle for less than a career you are passionate about

buffgato

5/27/18 10:52am

Make a career out of something you love and you'll never work a day in your

kotacoug

5/27/18 11:45am

Yep. College degree now is basically just like a HS degree

kotacoug

5/27/18 11:41am

I think the disconnect is more about education versus connections

DJROSS

5/27/18 10:25am

I don’t feel bad for them. I grew up with most of my peers not being able to afford college

Zach Morris

5/27/18 10:26am

I did the same thing. I worked full-time before going to college, and part-time

Game Changer

5/27/18 10:36am

Let’s be honest, college is a socially acceptable hideout for many lazy people.

Zach Morris

5/27/18 10:44am

And they all go to ASU

boorad

5/27/18 11:49am

A friend of ours is finishing up his undergrad with the

fredetteaboutit13

5/27/18 10:43am

But that’s ok, because socially we think it’s ok to be lazy and out of work so long

Zach Morris

5/27/18 10:49am

Parents need to instill in their kids a work ethic long before they go off to college. My parents

ocmyhome

5/27/18 11:14am

School is also much much much more expensive than years ago

Deleted

5/27/18 11:36am

Very fair point and should be considered. But I think if you can’t afford something in this case

Zach Morris

5/27/18 11:41am

My biggest complaint is the fact that I can get a

Cnation

5/27/18 10:30am

You can’t get a 2% car loan and as for the student loan difference. One is a depreciating asset while the

Zach Morris

5/27/18 10:36am

Do you realize how ridiculously cheap 7% interest is on unsecured borrowing?

5/27/18 11:08am

Also going rate on car loans right now is just above 4% and that’s for a 5-7

cougarfann888

5/27/18 11:38am

I get that. That wasn’t my point. We live in a society where a degree is highly

Cnation

5/27/18 12:02pm

There is an over supply of money in the system. Student loans are too easy to

delux_247

5/27/18 10:30am

Yep. And with government repayment plans there is less incentive for students to be frugal in their college choices

Odysseus

5/27/18 10:38am

This this this

jkccoug

5/27/18 10:44am

The for-profit diploma mills prove your point. I knew a girl who took out $40k

SD-Y-FAN

5/27/18 11:47am

The cost of education has been rising many times faster than inflation

spinner

5/27/18 10:35am

Just like most everything, government intervention has made the situation worse

delux_247

5/27/18 10:39am

I wonder how close the rise in maximum debt levels backed by the government

crack

5/27/18 10:41am

Not sure about total debt backed, but Pell Grants

spinner

5/27/18 10:44am

Idk about that, but each solution causes some different problems to deal with

Odysseus

5/27/18 10:41am

Remember "cash for clunkers"? The net effect of that program was more

delux_247

5/27/18 10:48am

Some programs are good, some are bad. All will have some negative externalities tied to them.

Odysseus

5/27/18 10:52am

The government has always been deeply involved in education

spinner

5/27/18 10:55am

Not always, and you misconstrued my statement.

delux_247

5/27/18 11:38am

Here's my issue: the government's willingness to loan money is the reason prices

jkccoug

5/27/18 10:43am

You know what bugged me was when my school raised tuition by 5k every year I was there. Not cool. But they can do that

Slim

5/27/18 10:44am

if you knew your customers would pay whatever it cost you'd do it too

Mayor of Cougartown

5/27/18 10:54am

I work at a college my kids are interested in attending..

FulhamUte

5/27/18 10:45am

The bad thing is skyrocketing tuition. It sucks and hoses everybody but the schools.

shimmy

5/27/18 10:49am

And most kids never finish and the schools know that. Schools accept

CSoul

5/27/18 11:16am

Does anyone have any insight into how this is effecting the

pac12stickerhater

5/27/18 8:45pm

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