BYU is not that much of a graduate research university.

Aug 10, 2018
12:38:07pm

Archaeovagrant All-American

But it is a great undergraduate research university, which makes their excuse an exercise in splitting hairs. Undergrads have so many more opportunities to do real, publishable research now than when I was there.

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Everyone on here talks very definitively about the fact that the PAC 12 would

here's to hoping

8/9/18 9:31pm

Liberal schools in liberal states.

idcougarfan

8/9/18 9:32pm

Baloney. Not a research University, Religious

Freeagent12

8/9/18 9:41pm

Agree.

Y-Zag

8/9/18 9:41pm

Sunday play

Brigham

8/9/18 9:42pm

That is just an excuse. It is an easy out for them.

scott715

8/10/18 12:30pm

Yes but it is a legitimate excuse... and the only one...

lilpenny

8/12/18 5:24am

IOW, liberal schools in liberal states.

Plato

8/9/18 9:43pm

Haha, exactly. He just describes liberalism & supports the post he disagrees w/

zerome4sooners

8/10/18 6:58am

Also a Private religious school.

bluegato

8/10/18 5:39am

Stanford is private

Freddie Cougar

8/10/18 12:28pm

As is USC. Both are secular.

Brigham

8/10/18 1:19pm

Did USC originally have a religious tie? Seems like I heard it did. Even if true, that was obviously a long time ago.

SingleStrapBackpack

8/10/18 6:28pm

They did.... long, long ago. It is a private university.

Benfica1

8/10/18 9:35pm

yes, all antithetical to liberal schools and liberal states.

Y4LYFE

8/12/18 10:40am

Academic freedom.

chilango

8/9/18 9:34pm

Church affiliation.

TriggerWarning

8/9/18 9:35pm

They want everyone to be tolerant of other people’s beliefs unless those other people are Mormons.

Zaphod

8/9/18 9:36pm

Amen brother.

Y-Zag

8/9/18 9:38pm

But props to their intolerance principles. They left a lot of Mormon money...

jrifkin48

8/9/18 9:42pm

Fair point

TNT

8/9/18 10:14pm

Problem is, many mormons are turning to the yewts as their team. We are being

coolblue

8/10/18 6:57am

Gave ya a thumbs down just to complete the cycle

IceBlueCoug

8/9/18 10:31pm

Thanks!

Zaphod

8/9/18 11:21pm

Bot entirely true. They are not tolerant of hate groups either.

UNHuskerCoug

8/9/18 10:38pm

Not exactly. They want others to be tolerant of their beliefs but have no tolerance for those who believe otherwise.

Refugee

8/10/18 6:07am

It’s much worse today than it was in 2011.

Refugee

8/10/18 6:29am

So you are saying that the Pac 12 schools tolerate

UNHuskerCoug

8/10/18 6:33am

I think his statement is pretty clear, and does not imply what you seem to

NewMexiCoug

8/10/18 6:42am

Didn’t say a thing about Mormonism. You wrote that in your mind. Read again.

Refugee

8/10/18 9:18am

They don't consider BYU a "research university" which is a bogus excuse.

Y-Zag

8/9/18 9:37pm

Exactly. They were willing to consider the 5 Big12 schools to fill out a

NewMexiCoug

8/10/18 6:43am

BYU is not that much of a graduate research university.

Archaeovagrant

8/10/18 12:38pm

ultimately the same thing that will keep BYU out of just about any conference

Josef K

8/9/18 9:45pm

And liberal universities have a definite anti-religion bias. It doesn't matter

Y-Zag

8/9/18 9:52pm

*all universities...trust me, I'm a professor. Academia is as liberal as it gets

pistol12

8/9/18 9:59pm

Not all universities.

garyfan

8/9/18 10:01pm

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TC_Mike

8/12/18 8:46am

My son went to a state college in conservative Idaho. Extremely liberal.

Y-Zag

8/9/18 10:01pm

North Idaho?

SingleStrapBackpack

8/10/18 12:11am

Lewis-Clark State College in Lewiston. He would call me weekly and complain

Y-Zag

8/10/18 9:13am

Interesting, never even heard of that college before

SingleStrapBackpack

8/10/18 9:29am

It is a small college. Hosts the NAIA Baseball national championship

Y-Zag

8/10/18 9:36am

Actually, geography has been a big factor for all but PAC.

Benfica1

8/10/18 11:04am

Sunday play, Sunday play, Sunday play.

Everyman

8/9/18 10:09pm

BYU was also rejected by the Pac-10 in the '90s. It's nothing new

TNT

8/9/18 10:13pm

Thank you for the links, this helps.

here's to hoping

8/10/18 9:25am

Cal and Stanford are as bigoted as they come. Those 2 block everything BYU. It's

Lance71

8/9/18 10:24pm

I’d say the big 12 is more bigoted

Josef K

8/9/18 10:30pm

They are pretty tolerant of Baylor and even TCU before they were the Big12.

Lance71

8/9/18 10:38pm

That’s why they’re bigoted. Cal and Stanford are completely different

Josef K

8/9/18 10:45pm

Baylor and TCU are cut from the same religious cloth

Everyman

8/9/18 10:50pm

TCU has religious origin... is NOT a religious institution today.

Samurai Jack

8/9/18 10:50pm

No, but it’s trustees, donors and supporters,

Everyman

8/9/18 11:09pm

Texas Christian University is an educational institution...

TCUfan77

8/12/18 10:33am

There are many types of bigotry other than bigotry against Christians. Not that

chilango

8/10/18 6:20am

What do you mean by "block everything BYU", would you mind sharing some concrete

here's to hoping

8/10/18 9:24am

Yes. You will get dirty looks if you say Texas Christian instead of TCU now.

shatter2

8/12/18 7:45am

Robert Carr Chapel

TCUfan77

8/12/18 9:51am

Ok so there is one left. Brite Divinity is not.

shatter2

8/12/18 10:02am

Why would one need two? Brite has been separate since its founding in 1914

TCUfan77

8/12/18 11:13am

Baylor is also not welcome. Connect the dots.

Samurai Jack

8/9/18 10:34pm

To be fair, Baylor is barely welcome in their own conference.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/10/18 4:41am

Yes indeed... but for entirely different reasons....

Samurai Jack

8/10/18 4:46am

Did they say Baylor was not welcome at the time they were trying to expand?

here's to hoping

8/10/18 9:22am

Reports such as this Tramel article said so... (link)

Samurai Jack

8/10/18 5:23pm

interesting, thanks

here's to hoping

8/10/18 7:46pm

Everyone? kind of a stretch don't you think?

Heinz57

8/10/18 12:04am

I think you're missing the point of my question. I'm not trying to imply

here's to hoping

8/10/18 9:17am

So state it then.

Heinz57

8/11/18 1:01pm

Appreciate all of the opinions everyone, but can anyone point me to specific

here's to hoping

8/10/18 9:15am

The easiest one is the Sunday play requirement, per Everyman above:

NewMexiCoug

8/10/18 9:24am

thanks I saw that link after this post, but if we played well enough and brought

here's to hoping

8/10/18 11:07am

There are very few programs that could move the needle for a P5 conference

NewMexiCoug

8/10/18 11:13am

According to Dr. Hill (Former AD for Utah) - They were told that Sunday play was

FanofBYU

8/10/18 10:48am

The commissioner of the then PAC-10 came out and said directly

deljdc

8/10/18 12:17pm

thanks

here's to hoping

8/10/18 1:17pm

Thanks for the reminder.

Y-Zag

8/10/18 2:00pm

If you want to point to one single event

WaybackCougar

8/10/18 11:33am

yall play the victim card well...keep it up it looks well on you!

TC_Mike

8/12/18 8:50am

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