Let's look at some of those articles, now that you've mentioned it...

May 14, 2019
9:40:13am

Eddie All-American

The 10 top contenders for the 2019 Heisman Trophy

Now that the 2018 Heisman Trophy has been awarded, it's time to look ahead to the top contenders for next season's race. Here are the top 10 for 2019.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2018/12/08/heisman-trophy-ten-contenders-2019-season-tua-tagovailoa/2241946002/

This article includes 21 potential candidates - including 4 from the PAC12. Guess who isn't on the list. Hmmmm.

Bleacherreport.com

Ranking the Top Candidates for the 2019 Heisman Trophy

Now that the dust has settled in the close Heisman Trophy race between Alabama quarterback Tua Tagovailoa and Oklahoma dual-threat signal-caller Kyler Murray, it's time to look ahead...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2809787-ranking-the-top-candidates-for-the-2019-heisman-trophy#slide10

This article limits itself to 10 potential candidates - including 2 from the PAC12. Guess who's missing again...

Odds Shark

Heisman Futures: Quarterbacks Leading the Charge Early

As the 2018-19 season concludes we can quickly turn our attention to the 2019-20 season and take a look at Heisman Trophy odds. We have the odds and a breakdown of the favorites for the upcoming season.

https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/odds-win-heisman-trophy

This site - used purely for recreational purposes - doesn't even list him as a candidate.

So - I did a search specifically for PAC12 contenders. And this article does have Moss as #3 - as you said it would. Guess who is #1? Straight from the article:

Orange County Register

The list of Pac-12 contenders for the 2019 Heisman Trophy starts with the unknown unknown

Gardner Minshew wasn’t even on a Pac-12 roster last year at this time. The most predictable aspect of his emergence on the Heisman scene was its unpredictability.

http://www.ocregister.com/the-list-of-pac-12-contenders-for-the-2019-heisman-trophy-starts-with-the-unknown-unknown[https://www.ocregister.com/2019/01/17/the-list-of-pac-12-contenders-for-the-2019-heisman-trophy-starts-with-the-unknown-unknown/]

"1. Who. We’ve covered the established contenders and the sleepers, but recent history suggests an unknown-unknown, so to speak, has the best chance to reach New York. That player could be a yet-to-arrive graduate transfer, a redshirt freshman or a second-tier contributor in 2018 who makes a giant leap."

So - they're saying that really ANYONE ELSE in the conference has a better chance of winning the award than Moss does. But, as Lloyd Christmas would say..."So you're saying there's a chance!"

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Which BYU FB players would start for Utah?

jackryanslc

5/14/19 7:33am

QB, multiple OL, at least Tonga on the DL, likely both Kafusi’s at

specsauce

5/14/19 7:38am

Agree except Huntley would start over Wilson.

Dangerous

5/14/19 7:40am

Maybe at Utah because the coaching staff refuses to throw, but Wilson is

specsauce

5/14/19 7:42am

Why?

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 7:45am

because they would go with the seasoned senior, not the sophomore

BlueFrog

5/14/19 8:06am

I’d go with the seasoned sophomore

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 8:34am

i'm sure you would. but you aren't the coach of utah

BlueFrog

5/14/19 9:09am

Who knows what he’d do. Do any of us? It’s not like he’s a qb genius

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 9:17am

Has Whittingham ever started an underclassman over a returning senior starter? we can go off precedent to

BlueFrog

5/14/19 9:39am

good Question. Not sure

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 9:40am

Whit has actually been aggreessive with starting young QBs over experienced QBs.

Scratch

5/14/19 9:43am

Good point

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 9:44am

Huntley started over a returning senior

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 10:12am

No, Wilson is better

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:20am

Why would you say Huntley is equal as a passer?

jdub

5/14/19 10:38am

You are right. Wilson has significantly better stats in all areas of passing

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:48am

Yes. He started Huntley over Troy Williams just two years ago.

Jdoc

5/14/19 12:52pm

you do realize that zach wilson's first choice was utah but utah didn't take him

Byu_realist101

5/14/19 9:58am

Either did BYU at first

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:02am

And the guy that Utah wanted didn't last more than a month. Says more about Utah coaches than anything else.

kccougar

5/14/19 2:24pm

the kid wanted instant playing time, he was one of the top recuits in cali and..

Byu_realist101

5/14/19 3:50pm

We will see soon enough what he will do.

ochobeeguy

5/14/19 9:59am

We already saw. He played Utah in slc extremely well

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:02am

as a true freshman

Rise Against

5/14/19 10:05am

And lost, blowing a 20 point lead.

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 10:18am

He blew the lead? 🙂

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:21am

You guys have been fun this whole thread. Thanks for the comedy

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:22am

Someone's got to provide a dose of reality here.

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 10:29am

Still looking for that person

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:36am

Our true freshman outperformed your freshman, by a lot.

Rise Against

5/14/19 10:40am

Hardly

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 11:04am

Actually yes by a lot

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 11:13am

And Shelley didn't start doing anything until we'd lost our two best defenders

Cougar76

5/14/19 4:04pm

You know Wilson doesn't play defense, right?

jdub

5/14/19 10:39am

True

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 10:47am

Take it outside. I was talking about Jason Shelley

ochobeeguy

5/14/19 2:57pm

Because KWhitt would have turned him into a safety

UberDeek

5/14/19 8:28am

They would because of his experience but talent wise not a chance.

Ash

5/14/19 8:56am

i'm not sure on linebacker. they have bernard and the transfer from Penn St

BlueFrog

5/14/19 8:07am

This is true. I’d forgotten about the PSU transfer.

specsauce

5/14/19 11:46am

Isaiah Kaufusi is a better linebacker than Bernard ever was

donnerstag

5/14/19 12:00pm

stats don't back that up one bit

BlueFrog

5/14/19 3:16pm

Isaiah has better measurables and was more productive as a starter

donnerstag

5/14/19 3:28pm

what are you basing your decision on? opinion or stats? and what measurables?

BlueFrog

5/14/19 3:38pm

Kaufusi is 2 inches taller and is faster

donnerstag

5/14/19 4:02pm

Kaufusi is maybe 205 lbs. that's better measurables for a linebacker? our high school MLB is currently 6'2 225

BlueFrog

5/14/19 9:17pm

less prototypical? now you are just talking out your butt. i think you made up those stats too. lame

BlueFrog

5/14/19 9:23pm

Prototypical linebackers are 6'1" to 6'3"

donnerstag

5/14/19 10:29pm

ha. so now he has potential to be prototypical? and he only had 3 games total over 5 tackles. you're making stuff up

BlueFrog

5/15/19 6:46am

Kaufusi only has 5 career starts where he played the whole game

donnerstag

5/15/19 6:59am

Ha. now it is projects better to the nfl? man you are a king goal post mover. And 6 starts

BlueFrog

5/15/19 7:38am

Bernard was very inconsistent

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 3:41pm

Tonga doesn't start over Fotu and Penisini, but he'd be the first rotation guy.

displacedute

5/14/19 6:42pm

Huntley over Wilson? Why?

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 6:48pm

Why Wilson over Huntley

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 7:22pm

What has Huntley done in his big wins?

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 8:51pm

RE: What has Huntley done in his big wins?

whitey1980

5/14/19 9:24pm

Lol! He has several big wins where he was lights out.

Jdoc

5/14/19 10:40pm

RE: Huntley over Wilson? Why?

displacedute

5/14/19 10:14pm

Bushman, Tonga, Oldroyd/Southam, Hoge, Empey, Christensen, MLP, Kaufusi, Dayan

donnerstag

5/14/19 7:42am

MLP? where'd that come from?

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 9:46am

Utah's leading tight end had 74 yards receiving in 2018

donnerstag

5/14/19 10:21am

huh? that is inaccurate. Where did you get that number?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:26am

The depth chart I looked at was apparently for 2018

donnerstag

5/14/19 10:40am

Huh? Utah had 2 TEs with more yards than MLP, and both with a lot more than 74.

Scratch

5/14/19 10:27am

There isn't anything to discuss about Bushman

donnerstag

5/14/19 10:42am

Not even close. He's a receiver, that's it. He's a very good recevier, but you

Scratch

5/14/19 10:55am

That is false

donnerstag

5/14/19 11:24am

Bushman would be the best player on Utah’s offense except Moss

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 3:16pm

You should watch BYU more and you'd know.

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 4:17pm

As a TE receiver, maybe

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 11:12am

It's not a maybe

donnerstag

5/14/19 11:23am

I agree with you. But as a complete TE, I don’t think he’s top 10 yet.

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 7:01pm

Some of the NFL draft lists has him as a top 5 TE

donnerstag

5/14/19 7:12pm

That’s interesting, good for him. Where are you seeing this?

Scratch

5/14/19 7:14pm

Walter Football is pretty consistent with their rankings and

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 7:25pm

Good for him. That’s very telling, thanks.

Scratch

5/14/19 7:31pm

Wow that’s awesome. I think he’ll have a breakout year with Wilson

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 10:31pm

That's incorrect. Fotheringham is pretty good. But he's not Bushman

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 10:57am

That's definitely true, as they are very different players. TE is a very tough

Scratch

5/14/19 11:03am

CB praises incoming transfers...

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 11:16am

TBH, pretty sure that is mostly true of any fanbase

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 11:17am

Utah fans acted that way, when we lost Tuttle- and then ended up getting Cam Rising.

whitey1980

5/14/19 5:25pm

That’s not just a CB thing. I see Ute fans do it a lot too.

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 10:32pm

We don’t need a lot of the guys that are leaving

puntersarepeople

5/15/19 6:50am

Any of our starters, all of our starters

2FarGone

5/14/19 7:44am

This ^^^^

ChurroNieves

5/14/19 10:42am

All of them could probably start.

Benfica1

5/14/19 7:46am

Zach Wilson (if healthy), Jaren Hall.

smokymountainrain

5/14/19 7:55am

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 8:36am

RE: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

2FarGone

5/14/19 8:44am

Pardon my french but you can go to hell

monkeycowboy

5/14/19 8:45am

am I wrong though?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:12am

You are saying what others are saying, though very childishly. So yes.

HenderCoug

5/14/19 9:14am

How many guys on BYUs roster did Utah go after? Heck Francis Bernard has stared at both. Its a clown statement dude

monkeycowboy

5/14/19 9:18am

the fact that Bernard started at both proves my point about him

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:06am

They go after many of the same players dude... The same talent starts at both. The better talent doesnt always end up

monkeycowboy

5/14/19 10:24am

I'm not disputing that, I'm just saying that there isn't anyone I can see

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:39am

The same talent starts at both? I don't know if I agree with that

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:45am

I think BYU has historically had an advantage at recruiting QB's. Not really debatable. And that has continued since

whitey1980

5/14/19 5:49pm

Yes you are wrong. Francis Bernard proved that.

slatecoug

5/14/19 9:21am

Bernard didn't start the season as a starter. Hansen and Barton were a dynamic duo. But yes, Bernard is very good.

whitey1980

5/14/19 5:54pm

You must not know football

JKLCoug

5/14/19 9:35am

Tonga is very good, but I'm not sure he'd start. He wasn't even on the field

Scratch

5/14/19 9:44am

He suffers from the s-l-o-w syndrome. Needs to get to about 275 or 280.

Bullrider

5/14/19 9:48am

Uh, Tonga is not slow and why in the world would he drop to that weight?

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 9:54am

yeah, 280 is ridiculous

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:00am

you must not know Utah's players or it's scheme very well (a forgivable offense)

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:45am

Oh, where do I start....

Heinz57

5/14/19 1:09pm

Like I said, there are a handful of players that would be

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 1:16pm

Let's go back in history

Heinz57

5/14/19 1:29pm

No, you were spot on

chazen

5/14/19 11:34am

first, i don't want you to go to hell because you are funny. it's unintentional,

smokymountainrain

5/14/19 12:26pm

How am I wrong about the qbs?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:55pm

Wilson is better by every measure. QBR, PER, Wilson is the better QB.

smokymountainrain

5/14/19 1:01pm

He may very well be

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 1:03pm

You are wrong about your DB stats

tmurphey44

5/14/19 2:37pm

That talent gap though. Getting those blowout wins year after year.

stev

5/14/19 8:51am

Maybe not locks, but all could start. The main issue is depth.

Benfica1

5/14/19 8:55am

all? ALL? haha!

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:06am

I think Hoge would almost certainly start.

Scratch

5/14/19 9:10am

I can't tell you how much I love this line...

Eddie

5/14/19 9:11am

you know exactly what I meant

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:14am

Let's look at some of those articles, now that you've mentioned it...

Eddie

5/14/19 9:40am

you go on ahead and keep beating that drum

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:54am

Ty’son Williams is all world before setting foot on campus

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 11:11am

What drum do you think I'm beating?

Eddie

5/14/19 1:05pm

Um...

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 10:21am

Are you sure you're a BYU fan?

Eddie

5/14/19 1:33pm

I am...

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 2:33pm

I understand not wanting to drink the kool aid.

Eddie

5/14/19 2:40pm

You certainly don't 'drink the Kool Aid', you figuratively shovel manure

Benfica1

5/14/19 2:46pm

Yep. Players can be replaceable. I'm guessing you've never coached before.

Benfica1

5/14/19 9:14am

You're a moron that has serious yewt goggles. You honestly think Takitaki

Rise Against

5/14/19 9:18am

did you read my post? I pretty much conceded that he may have

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:23am

Yeah, I read it. You said, "Takitaki may not have started".

Rise Against

5/14/19 9:36am

saying may not leaves open the possibility of the alternative does it not?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:04pm

You're wrong. They also loved his ability in coverage. He has the speed

Rise Against

5/14/19 12:13pm

I never said he was just situational, I said he was better in that respect

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:20pm

Man Ute fans are so annoying. Get off our board please. (asking nicely)

BountifulCoug5

5/14/19 12:27pm

Hey look, it's a troll!

Machiavelli

5/14/19 8:59am

Michael Davis started for the Chargers and played in the playoffs

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 9:02am

He can and has played good ball. He rated out as one of the top nickels in CFB.

Scratch

5/14/19 9:11am

Byu whooped on Utah's nickels last year. Those were the guys constantly giving

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 9:56am

And KS benched him. Go figure.

coolblue

5/14/19 3:33pm

I would like to hear what your yewt compadres think on this topic

CLCougar

5/14/19 9:54am

Dsvis. Recent BYU CB Los Angeles Chargers

CarolinaCoug

5/14/19 10:02am

You are greatly OVERestimating the talent gap. Step off your Ute pedestal.

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 10:09am

lol. jaren hall starts over huntley.

smokymountainrain

5/14/19 12:24pm

Haha, what proof do you have that Jaren is

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:56pm

How many PAC-12 championships do you have?

BountifulCoug5

5/14/19 1:38pm

this is the most truth I've read in the whole thread. hes right about it all...

Byu_realist101

5/14/19 1:59pm

None of them. They all prefer BYU.

Eddie

5/14/19 9:03am

Hey Ohhhhh!

Nagurski

5/14/19 9:35am

well, that's kind of the problem with these hypotheticals

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:37am

What Utah players would start for BYU?

ausgezeichnet

5/14/19 9:29am

Posts like these are great because they always expose the closet Utes!

cougarnw

5/14/19 10:14am

Most of Utes here have already come out of the closet.

jdub

5/14/19 10:41am

Let’s not jab when one of our own came out on his commencement speech

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 11:13am

pretty sure he wasn't talking about that sort of closet

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 11:16am

The patheticness of Utes being on CB never ceases to amaze me.

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 12:09pm

Patheticness? Nice!

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:13pm

Patheticism. Patheticness. Patheticality. Pick one and it fits the bill.

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 12:15pm

Haha I'm giving you a hard time. But honestly,

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 12:45pm

Where would BYU fans troll?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:57pm

Maybe that's part of the point haha. BYU fans built their own place

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 1:23pm

there is one, no not utahutes.net or whatever

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 1:27pm

So what you're saying is, this community is far more sophisticated and engaging

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 2:53pm

Is it like Narnia... you get there through the back of an armoire?

Cully

5/14/19 4:12pm

Just ask yourself - which crowd would YOU rather hang out with?

Eddie

5/14/19 1:43pm

Honest truth.

DocPimp

5/14/19 7:50pm

How many Aggies would start at BYU?

Truerblue

5/14/19 10:51am

Honestly I don’t think we want to even start down that path

USMCdad

5/14/19 10:56am

How many UVU bball players would start for BYU? About to find out!

cougarnw

5/14/19 11:01am

Now THAT is funny

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 11:02am

Both funny and sad

j20

5/14/19 11:42am

Bushman, Empey, Hoge, Christensen, Tonga, I. Kaufusi, Lake.

pinolero

5/14/19 12:43pm

I can see some of those guys starting

Tj_utefan

5/14/19 11:08pm

I thought about that with Lee but he left Utah 3 years ago. He's much better now

pinolero

5/14/19 11:14pm

We'll have to agree to disagree on Lee

Tj_utefan

5/15/19 6:56am

RE: Which BYU FB players would start for Utah?

jackryanslc

5/14/19 1:42pm

Not really a great way to compare. Too much variation in scheme and style of pla

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 3:18pm

As if any fans would know.

Archaea

5/14/19 3:51pm

I would take Wilson over Huntley

zerome4sooners

5/14/19 3:54pm

Anyone would

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 6:03pm

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