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May 14, 2019
10:47:54am

CrimsonCardinal Contributor

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But in the second half he was 9-13 passing for only 67 yards (5.2 yds/attempt) with a pick-6 and no touchdowns, and he gained only 16 yards yards rushing on 7 attempts (2.2 yds/carry) with two sacks and no touchdowns. He also had two final chances to lead BYU down the field to tie/win the game, and came up with a turnover on downs on both drives. In those two drives, there were no dropped passes or missed routes, and only one running play was called (on 4 and 1) compared to 10 plays for Wilson.

He wasn't great in the second half.

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Which BYU FB players would start for Utah?

jackryanslc

5/14/19 7:33am

QB, multiple OL, at least Tonga on the DL, likely both Kafusi’s at

specsauce

5/14/19 7:38am

Agree except Huntley would start over Wilson.

Dangerous

5/14/19 7:40am

Maybe at Utah because the coaching staff refuses to throw, but Wilson is

specsauce

5/14/19 7:42am

Why?

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 7:45am

because they would go with the seasoned senior, not the sophomore

BlueFrog

5/14/19 8:06am

I’d go with the seasoned sophomore

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 8:34am

i'm sure you would. but you aren't the coach of utah

BlueFrog

5/14/19 9:09am

Who knows what he’d do. Do any of us? It’s not like he’s a qb genius

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 9:17am

Has Whittingham ever started an underclassman over a returning senior starter? we can go off precedent to

BlueFrog

5/14/19 9:39am

good Question. Not sure

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 9:40am

Whit has actually been aggreessive with starting young QBs over experienced QBs.

Scratch

5/14/19 9:43am

Good point

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 9:44am

Huntley started over a returning senior

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 10:12am

No, Wilson is better

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:20am

Why would you say Huntley is equal as a passer?

jdub

5/14/19 10:38am

You are right. Wilson has significantly better stats in all areas of passing

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:48am

Yes. He started Huntley over Troy Williams just two years ago.

Jdoc

5/14/19 12:52pm

you do realize that zach wilson's first choice was utah but utah didn't take him

Byu_realist101

5/14/19 9:58am

Either did BYU at first

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:02am

And the guy that Utah wanted didn't last more than a month. Says more about Utah coaches than anything else.

kccougar

5/14/19 2:24pm

the kid wanted instant playing time, he was one of the top recuits in cali and..

Byu_realist101

5/14/19 3:50pm

We will see soon enough what he will do.

ochobeeguy

5/14/19 9:59am

We already saw. He played Utah in slc extremely well

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:02am

as a true freshman

Rise Against

5/14/19 10:05am

And lost, blowing a 20 point lead.

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 10:18am

He blew the lead? 🙂

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:21am

You guys have been fun this whole thread. Thanks for the comedy

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:22am

Someone's got to provide a dose of reality here.

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 10:29am

Still looking for that person

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 10:36am

Our true freshman outperformed your freshman, by a lot.

Rise Against

5/14/19 10:40am

Hardly

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 11:04am

Actually yes by a lot

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 11:13am

And Shelley didn't start doing anything until we'd lost our two best defenders

Cougar76

5/14/19 4:04pm

You know Wilson doesn't play defense, right?

jdub

5/14/19 10:39am

True

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 10:47am

Take it outside. I was talking about Jason Shelley

ochobeeguy

5/14/19 2:57pm

Because KWhitt would have turned him into a safety

UberDeek

5/14/19 8:28am

They would because of his experience but talent wise not a chance.

Ash

5/14/19 8:56am

i'm not sure on linebacker. they have bernard and the transfer from Penn St

BlueFrog

5/14/19 8:07am

This is true. I’d forgotten about the PSU transfer.

specsauce

5/14/19 11:46am

Isaiah Kaufusi is a better linebacker than Bernard ever was

donnerstag

5/14/19 12:00pm

stats don't back that up one bit

BlueFrog

5/14/19 3:16pm

Isaiah has better measurables and was more productive as a starter

donnerstag

5/14/19 3:28pm

what are you basing your decision on? opinion or stats? and what measurables?

BlueFrog

5/14/19 3:38pm

Kaufusi is 2 inches taller and is faster

donnerstag

5/14/19 4:02pm

Kaufusi is maybe 205 lbs. that's better measurables for a linebacker? our high school MLB is currently 6'2 225

BlueFrog

5/14/19 9:17pm

less prototypical? now you are just talking out your butt. i think you made up those stats too. lame

BlueFrog

5/14/19 9:23pm

Prototypical linebackers are 6'1" to 6'3"

donnerstag

5/14/19 10:29pm

ha. so now he has potential to be prototypical? and he only had 3 games total over 5 tackles. you're making stuff up

BlueFrog

5/15/19 6:46am

Kaufusi only has 5 career starts where he played the whole game

donnerstag

5/15/19 6:59am

Ha. now it is projects better to the nfl? man you are a king goal post mover. And 6 starts

BlueFrog

5/15/19 7:38am

Bernard was very inconsistent

cougarmanguy

5/14/19 3:41pm

Tonga doesn't start over Fotu and Penisini, but he'd be the first rotation guy.

displacedute

5/14/19 6:42pm

Huntley over Wilson? Why?

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 6:48pm

Why Wilson over Huntley

CrimsonCardinal

5/14/19 7:22pm

What has Huntley done in his big wins?

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 8:51pm

RE: What has Huntley done in his big wins?

whitey1980

5/14/19 9:24pm

Lol! He has several big wins where he was lights out.

Jdoc

5/14/19 10:40pm

RE: Huntley over Wilson? Why?

displacedute

5/14/19 10:14pm

Bushman, Tonga, Oldroyd/Southam, Hoge, Empey, Christensen, MLP, Kaufusi, Dayan

donnerstag

5/14/19 7:42am

MLP? where'd that come from?

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 9:46am

Utah's leading tight end had 74 yards receiving in 2018

donnerstag

5/14/19 10:21am

huh? that is inaccurate. Where did you get that number?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:26am

The depth chart I looked at was apparently for 2018

donnerstag

5/14/19 10:40am

Huh? Utah had 2 TEs with more yards than MLP, and both with a lot more than 74.

Scratch

5/14/19 10:27am

There isn't anything to discuss about Bushman

donnerstag

5/14/19 10:42am

Not even close. He's a receiver, that's it. He's a very good recevier, but you

Scratch

5/14/19 10:55am

That is false

donnerstag

5/14/19 11:24am

Bushman would be the best player on Utah’s offense except Moss

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 3:16pm

You should watch BYU more and you'd know.

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 4:17pm

As a TE receiver, maybe

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 11:12am

It's not a maybe

donnerstag

5/14/19 11:23am

I agree with you. But as a complete TE, I don’t think he’s top 10 yet.

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 7:01pm

Some of the NFL draft lists has him as a top 5 TE

donnerstag

5/14/19 7:12pm

That’s interesting, good for him. Where are you seeing this?

Scratch

5/14/19 7:14pm

Walter Football is pretty consistent with their rankings and

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 7:25pm

Good for him. That’s very telling, thanks.

Scratch

5/14/19 7:31pm

Wow that’s awesome. I think he’ll have a breakout year with Wilson

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 10:31pm

That's incorrect. Fotheringham is pretty good. But he's not Bushman

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 10:57am

That's definitely true, as they are very different players. TE is a very tough

Scratch

5/14/19 11:03am

CB praises incoming transfers...

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 11:16am

TBH, pretty sure that is mostly true of any fanbase

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 11:17am

Utah fans acted that way, when we lost Tuttle- and then ended up getting Cam Rising.

whitey1980

5/14/19 5:25pm

That’s not just a CB thing. I see Ute fans do it a lot too.

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 10:32pm

We don’t need a lot of the guys that are leaving

puntersarepeople

5/15/19 6:50am

Any of our starters, all of our starters

2FarGone

5/14/19 7:44am

This ^^^^

ChurroNieves

5/14/19 10:42am

All of them could probably start.

Benfica1

5/14/19 7:46am

Zach Wilson (if healthy), Jaren Hall.

smokymountainrain

5/14/19 7:55am

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 8:36am

RE: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

2FarGone

5/14/19 8:44am

Pardon my french but you can go to hell

monkeycowboy

5/14/19 8:45am

am I wrong though?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:12am

You are saying what others are saying, though very childishly. So yes.

HenderCoug

5/14/19 9:14am

How many guys on BYUs roster did Utah go after? Heck Francis Bernard has stared at both. Its a clown statement dude

monkeycowboy

5/14/19 9:18am

the fact that Bernard started at both proves my point about him

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:06am

They go after many of the same players dude... The same talent starts at both. The better talent doesnt always end up

monkeycowboy

5/14/19 10:24am

I'm not disputing that, I'm just saying that there isn't anyone I can see

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:39am

The same talent starts at both? I don't know if I agree with that

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:45am

I think BYU has historically had an advantage at recruiting QB's. Not really debatable. And that has continued since

whitey1980

5/14/19 5:49pm

Yes you are wrong. Francis Bernard proved that.

slatecoug

5/14/19 9:21am

Bernard didn't start the season as a starter. Hansen and Barton were a dynamic duo. But yes, Bernard is very good.

whitey1980

5/14/19 5:54pm

You must not know football

JKLCoug

5/14/19 9:35am

Tonga is very good, but I'm not sure he'd start. He wasn't even on the field

Scratch

5/14/19 9:44am

He suffers from the s-l-o-w syndrome. Needs to get to about 275 or 280.

Bullrider

5/14/19 9:48am

Uh, Tonga is not slow and why in the world would he drop to that weight?

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 9:54am

yeah, 280 is ridiculous

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:00am

you must not know Utah's players or it's scheme very well (a forgivable offense)

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:45am

Oh, where do I start....

Heinz57

5/14/19 1:09pm

Like I said, there are a handful of players that would be

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 1:16pm

Let's go back in history

Heinz57

5/14/19 1:29pm

No, you were spot on

chazen

5/14/19 11:34am

first, i don't want you to go to hell because you are funny. it's unintentional,

smokymountainrain

5/14/19 12:26pm

How am I wrong about the qbs?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:55pm

Wilson is better by every measure. QBR, PER, Wilson is the better QB.

smokymountainrain

5/14/19 1:01pm

He may very well be

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 1:03pm

You are wrong about your DB stats

tmurphey44

5/14/19 2:37pm

That talent gap though. Getting those blowout wins year after year.

stev

5/14/19 8:51am

Maybe not locks, but all could start. The main issue is depth.

Benfica1

5/14/19 8:55am

all? ALL? haha!

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:06am

I think Hoge would almost certainly start.

Scratch

5/14/19 9:10am

I can't tell you how much I love this line...

Eddie

5/14/19 9:11am

you know exactly what I meant

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:14am

Let's look at some of those articles, now that you've mentioned it...

Eddie

5/14/19 9:40am

you go on ahead and keep beating that drum

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 10:54am

Ty’son Williams is all world before setting foot on campus

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 11:11am

What drum do you think I'm beating?

Eddie

5/14/19 1:05pm

Um...

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 10:21am

Are you sure you're a BYU fan?

Eddie

5/14/19 1:33pm

I am...

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 2:33pm

I understand not wanting to drink the kool aid.

Eddie

5/14/19 2:40pm

You certainly don't 'drink the Kool Aid', you figuratively shovel manure

Benfica1

5/14/19 2:46pm

Yep. Players can be replaceable. I'm guessing you've never coached before.

Benfica1

5/14/19 9:14am

You're a moron that has serious yewt goggles. You honestly think Takitaki

Rise Against

5/14/19 9:18am

did you read my post? I pretty much conceded that he may have

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:23am

Yeah, I read it. You said, "Takitaki may not have started".

Rise Against

5/14/19 9:36am

saying may not leaves open the possibility of the alternative does it not?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:04pm

You're wrong. They also loved his ability in coverage. He has the speed

Rise Against

5/14/19 12:13pm

I never said he was just situational, I said he was better in that respect

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:20pm

Man Ute fans are so annoying. Get off our board please. (asking nicely)

BountifulCoug5

5/14/19 12:27pm

Hey look, it's a troll!

Machiavelli

5/14/19 8:59am

Michael Davis started for the Chargers and played in the playoffs

D.T. Survivor

5/14/19 9:02am

He can and has played good ball. He rated out as one of the top nickels in CFB.

Scratch

5/14/19 9:11am

Byu whooped on Utah's nickels last year. Those were the guys constantly giving

Lip Gallagher

5/14/19 9:56am

And KS benched him. Go figure.

coolblue

5/14/19 3:33pm

I would like to hear what your yewt compadres think on this topic

CLCougar

5/14/19 9:54am

Dsvis. Recent BYU CB Los Angeles Chargers

CarolinaCoug

5/14/19 10:02am

You are greatly OVERestimating the talent gap. Step off your Ute pedestal.

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 10:09am

lol. jaren hall starts over huntley.

smokymountainrain

5/14/19 12:24pm

Haha, what proof do you have that Jaren is

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:56pm

How many PAC-12 championships do you have?

BountifulCoug5

5/14/19 1:38pm

this is the most truth I've read in the whole thread. hes right about it all...

Byu_realist101

5/14/19 1:59pm

None of them. They all prefer BYU.

Eddie

5/14/19 9:03am

Hey Ohhhhh!

Nagurski

5/14/19 9:35am

well, that's kind of the problem with these hypotheticals

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 9:37am

What Utah players would start for BYU?

ausgezeichnet

5/14/19 9:29am

Posts like these are great because they always expose the closet Utes!

cougarnw

5/14/19 10:14am

Most of Utes here have already come out of the closet.

jdub

5/14/19 10:41am

Let’s not jab when one of our own came out on his commencement speech

BOOHOLE

5/14/19 11:13am

pretty sure he wasn't talking about that sort of closet

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 11:16am

The patheticness of Utes being on CB never ceases to amaze me.

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 12:09pm

Patheticness? Nice!

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:13pm

Patheticism. Patheticness. Patheticality. Pick one and it fits the bill.

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 12:15pm

Haha I'm giving you a hard time. But honestly,

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 12:45pm

Where would BYU fans troll?

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 12:57pm

Maybe that's part of the point haha. BYU fans built their own place

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 1:23pm

there is one, no not utahutes.net or whatever

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 1:27pm

So what you're saying is, this community is far more sophisticated and engaging

DraperCoug22

5/14/19 2:53pm

Is it like Narnia... you get there through the back of an armoire?

Cully

5/14/19 4:12pm

Just ask yourself - which crowd would YOU rather hang out with?

Eddie

5/14/19 1:43pm

Honest truth.

DocPimp

5/14/19 7:50pm

How many Aggies would start at BYU?

Truerblue

5/14/19 10:51am

Honestly I don’t think we want to even start down that path

USMCdad

5/14/19 10:56am

How many UVU bball players would start for BYU? About to find out!

cougarnw

5/14/19 11:01am

Now THAT is funny

chinngiskhaan

5/14/19 11:02am

Both funny and sad

j20

5/14/19 11:42am

Bushman, Empey, Hoge, Christensen, Tonga, I. Kaufusi, Lake.

pinolero

5/14/19 12:43pm

I can see some of those guys starting

Tj_utefan

5/14/19 11:08pm

I thought about that with Lee but he left Utah 3 years ago. He's much better now

pinolero

5/14/19 11:14pm

We'll have to agree to disagree on Lee

Tj_utefan

5/15/19 6:56am

RE: Which BYU FB players would start for Utah?

jackryanslc

5/14/19 1:42pm

Not really a great way to compare. Too much variation in scheme and style of pla

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 3:18pm

As if any fans would know.

Archaea

5/14/19 3:51pm

I would take Wilson over Huntley

zerome4sooners

5/14/19 3:54pm

Anyone would

puntersarepeople

5/14/19 6:03pm

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