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May 22, 2019
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HarlemCoug
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because that's how you get the best European contract.
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Childs has no shot at NBA and former coaches should have used stats to show him
52Cougar
May 22, 3:59pm
Childs knows he's not going to play in the NBA.
kccougar
May 22, 4:00pm
He should know his stats hurt his chances in Europe and elsewhere
52Cougar
May 22, 4:02pm
HE reportedly had a 6 figure deal somewhere last season
I'mBatman
May 22, 4:54pm
If true, then it may be a good plan to leave early.
Benfica1
May 22, 5:11pm
that's an interesting assertion, especially when stated dogmatically
SCKIN
May 22, 4:44pm
because that's how you get the best European contract.
HarlemCoug
May 22, 10:28pm
interesting. And you learned this where?
SCKIN
May 22, 11:13pm
Because he's on no one's top 100 NBA prospects lists or mock draft results
Indy Coug
May 23, 8:31am
I'm not questioning whether Yoeli will be in the NBA, it's fairly clear he won't
SCKIN
May 23, 1:42pm
well duh. It is not like NBA general managers know anything
pappabear246
May 23, 1:57pm
No NBA Combine invite, and only 2 team workouts should tell him not this year.
roseyscenario
May 23, 9:26pm
TJ has been playing out of position, hopefully Pope lets him play at the point and create
Remigius
May 22, 4:03pm
I don't think TJ's 3-point % was greater when he played 1
52Cougar
May 22, 4:07pm
Either way he was in the 91st percentile in ppp.
thebruce
May 22, 4:09pm
TJ played a lot of PG last year.
thebruce
May 22, 4:07pm
TJ ppp was 1.063 PPP which puts him in the 91st percentile. TJ is fine. There
BYUheaven
May 22, 4:05pm
Thanks. Where is a link for PPP for college?
52Cougar
May 22, 4:09pm
TJ was good last year
I'mBatman
May 22, 5:08pm
His 2pt% was actually 55%
PHXSUNS31
May 22, 4:12pm
TJ needs to get a similar shot selection around the hoop
puntersarepeople
May 22, 4:33pm
Like Tyler had.
lightmann
May 22, 4:37pm
Tyler's shot selection was about as bad as possible for advanced analytics. He was just that good
MaxxPower
May 22, 5:18pm
He was 82nd Percentile on offense, 29th Percentile on defense last season
MwangoleCoug9
May 22, 4:57pm
Yes, TJ's defense is limited. But my bet is his offense spikes up > 90% with
roseyscenario
May 23, 11:12am
Isn't that referring to Yoeli?
thebruce
May 23, 11:23am
No. Yo has good hands. i could have explained that better.
roseyscenario
May 23, 1:47pm
1. Yoeli doesn't think he's playing in the NBA. 2. The coaches are smart enough to know that TJ
MaxxPower
May 22, 5:05pm
His logic is limited to showing how effective a player is in their role
puntersarepeople
May 22, 5:06pm
Possibly, Yoeli needs the $.
rockyrd
May 22, 5:55pm
if that's true, he should come back, improve his europe stock. Get more $$$
archie
May 22, 10:28pm
Rose wasn't very interested in PPS, thus Childs took low quality
Plato
May 22, 6:23pm
Jake Toolson shot 44.8% from 3 and 53.7 from 2 this past year. . .
midtowncoug
May 22, 7:03pm
How do we know they didn't?
SUAVO
May 22, 9:11pm
TJ is likely best PG in WCC. He's extremely efficient. Shot > 40% as a freshman
roseyscenario
May 22, 10:24pm
*especially by his fans
Epileptic Beagle
May 22, 10:31pm
It's unfortunate for TJ that he has to follow in the footsteps of Marty & Tyler.
Wingnut
May 22, 10:46pm
I think he is better than Tyler
Remigius
May 22, 10:54pm
TJ is horrible.
scorpiondynamo
May 22, 11:19pm
Tj is horrible??? 🤨
gmoney7
May 22, 11:42pm
What statistic has TJ's defense in the 29th percentile? I think you are getting
BYUheaven
May 23, 12:42am
TJ’s offensive stats are misleading.
scorpiondynamo
May 23, 8:58am
TJ's offensive rating was 117.3, which is nationally 31st best of people with at least 24% of possessions used
Indy Coug
May 23, 9:08am
This post is impressive
Schultz is back
May 23, 9:30am
Link?
Orem58thBall
May 23, 10:33am
did he say that prior to playing BYU? Mark is a very respectful, kind man...
icecougar
May 23, 11:19am
Call me a homer but I think TJ is one of the best PGs in the west.
thebruce
May 23, 11:25am
Totally. I would take TJ over most of the returning PG's...
icecougar
May 23, 11:30am
I guess I'm taking it a step further and saying I think he's one of the best
thebruce
May 23, 2:24pm
Hard to see how TJ doesn't have his best year. Better shooters among teammates
roseyscenario
May 23, 2:38pm
Few says nice things about BYU because he's a class act
scorpiondynamo
May 23, 11:29pm
Stats, film, coaches, Basketball IQ, and common sense disagrees with you
MwangoleCoug9
May 23, 11:48pm
No worries brother. I'm just offering a different perspective.
scorpiondynamo
May 24, 1:26pm
And the player most worth paying to watch was TJ, by a wide margin. We have
roseyscenario
May 24, 5:35pm
Let's look at the Advanced stats then, shall we. TJ ranks 1701 out of the 2320
scorpiondynamo
May 24, 11:39pm
Ummm wut
thebruce
May 25, 12:49am
Yeah that's wrong. Here are the real advanced stats from Synergy
MwangoleCoug9
May 25, 7:33am
Spot on as always. Until recently i believed kenpom was go to place for NBA and
roseyscenario
May 25, 7:52am
PPP is not a good Individual Defense Statistic
scorpiondynamo
May 25, 1:47pm
This defensive rating is not very good either, no offense
kimdaddy35
May 28, 11:46am
Defense is extremely hard to measure correctly by metrics
thebruce
May 28, 11:51am
I agree 100%. You have to use a bunch of metrics, the eye test
kimdaddy35
May 28, 11:59am
This is a really bad take. One you are welcomed to have, but a really bad one
unctoothman
May 24, 3:17pm
I love when people spout of ideas like they are facts with nothing to back it up
BYUheaven
May 23, 9:32am
I love it when people self-identify
Epileptic Beagle
May 23, 9:56am
Opposite is true. Stats understate his play. Teammates can't shoot, causing him
roseyscenario
May 23, 10:42am
SMH.... all time BYU great? You're over selling things to try and make your point.
Wingnut
May 23, 10:44am
i see you know how to focus on what's important. You'll shake more when i reveal
roseyscenario
May 23, 10:55am
Look rosey, the kid came in with expectations higher than anyone I can remember in recent history and he has
Wingnut
May 23, 11:03am
He had a lot of hype — which isn't fair since he was actually rated in
thebruce
May 23, 2:27pm
We can disagree on this. I really hope he has a great season coming up.
Wingnut
May 23, 2:50pm
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Wingnut
May 23, 2:50pm
Simpletons often oversimplify. Thanks for the evidence.
Big Daddy D
May 24, 9:49am
In the history of terrible posts on this board, this one ranks near the top.
Sid Vicious
May 24, 8:24am
Not true. Tyler did more than just one thing better than TJ...
icecougar
May 23, 11:01am
/\ I could not agree more /\
Wingnut
May 23, 11:12am
Hest better than Tyler IMO
thebruce
May 23, 6:21am
Ok
Wingnut
May 23, 10:05am
But mostly he's trashed gratuitously and constantly by our friend 52Cougar
roseyscenario
May 23, 12:27am
I expect noticeable improvement
bigjohn
May 23, 6:13am
I would be happy if he's just as good as last year.
MaxxPower
May 23, 9:27am
Coaches need to instill a vision, loyalty to team, etc.
Hill4Heisman
May 23, 11:17am
You don't know what you think you know
kimdaddy35
May 23, 11:38am
Maybe he left because he simply didn't want to be at BYU anymore.
Byu_1988
May 25, 1:44pm
Since we are talking anlytics
gww687
May 25, 5:09pm
Ceteris paribus
roseyscenario
May 25, 5:20pm
RE: Ceteris paribus
gww687
May 25, 9:55pm
It drives more 3s at the cost of mid range shots. But analytics consider more
roseyscenario
May 25, 11:41pm
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