RE: Ceteris paribus

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May 25, 2019
9:55:51pm

gww687 All-American

RE: Ceteris paribus

The point the OP made was analytics should curtail 3’s by certain players (he specifically mentioned TJ). Analytics actually does the opposite, they show you should take more 3’s (generally speaking, I understand analytics go deeper than just that). So I made a little bit of a facetious point, but an emphasis on analytics will drive more 3’s as it has for the last decade or so.

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Childs has no shot at NBA and former coaches should have used stats to show him

52Cougar

5/22/19 3:59pm

Childs knows he's not going to play in the NBA.

kccougar

5/22/19 4:00pm

He should know his stats hurt his chances in Europe and elsewhere

52Cougar

5/22/19 4:02pm

HE reportedly had a 6 figure deal somewhere last season

I'mBatman

5/22/19 4:54pm

If true, then it may be a good plan to leave early.

Benfica1

5/22/19 5:11pm

that's an interesting assertion, especially when stated dogmatically

SCKIN

5/22/19 4:44pm

because that's how you get the best European contract.

HarlemCoug

5/22/19 10:28pm

interesting. And you learned this where?

SCKIN

5/22/19 11:13pm

Because he's on no one's top 100 NBA prospects lists or mock draft results

Indy Coug

5/23/19 8:31am

I'm not questioning whether Yoeli will be in the NBA, it's fairly clear he won't

SCKIN

5/23/19 1:42pm

well duh. It is not like NBA general managers know anything

pappabear246

5/23/19 1:57pm

No NBA Combine invite, and only 2 team workouts should tell him not this year.

roseyscenario

5/23/19 9:26pm

TJ has been playing out of position, hopefully Pope lets him play at the point and create

Remigius

5/22/19 4:03pm

I don't think TJ's 3-point % was greater when he played 1

52Cougar

5/22/19 4:07pm

Either way he was in the 91st percentile in ppp.

thebruce

5/22/19 4:09pm

TJ played a lot of PG last year.

thebruce

5/22/19 4:07pm

TJ ppp was 1.063 PPP which puts him in the 91st percentile. TJ is fine. There

BYUheaven

5/22/19 4:05pm

Thanks. Where is a link for PPP for college?

52Cougar

5/22/19 4:09pm

TJ was good last year

I'mBatman

5/22/19 5:08pm

His 2pt% was actually 55%

PHXSUNS31

5/22/19 4:12pm

TJ needs to get a similar shot selection around the hoop

puntersarepeople

5/22/19 4:33pm

Like Tyler had.

lightmann

5/22/19 4:37pm

Tyler's shot selection was about as bad as possible for advanced analytics. He was just that good

MaxxPower

5/22/19 5:18pm

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5/22/19 4:57pm

Yes, TJ's defense is limited. But my bet is his offense spikes up > 90% with

roseyscenario

5/23/19 11:12am

Isn't that referring to Yoeli?

thebruce

5/23/19 11:23am

No. Yo has good hands. i could have explained that better.

roseyscenario

5/23/19 1:47pm

1. Yoeli doesn't think he's playing in the NBA. 2. The coaches are smart enough to know that TJ

MaxxPower

5/22/19 5:05pm

His logic is limited to showing how effective a player is in their role

puntersarepeople

5/22/19 5:06pm

Possibly, Yoeli needs the $.

rockyrd

5/22/19 5:55pm

if that's true, he should come back, improve his europe stock. Get more $$$

archie

5/22/19 10:28pm

Rose wasn't very interested in PPS, thus Childs took low quality

Plato

5/22/19 6:23pm

Jake Toolson shot 44.8% from 3 and 53.7 from 2 this past year. . .

midtowncoug

5/22/19 7:03pm

How do we know they didn't?

SUAVO

5/22/19 9:11pm

TJ is likely best PG in WCC. He's extremely efficient. Shot > 40% as a freshman

roseyscenario

5/22/19 10:24pm

*especially by his fans

Epileptic Beagle

5/22/19 10:31pm

It's unfortunate for TJ that he has to follow in the footsteps of Marty & Tyler.

Wingnut

5/22/19 10:46pm

I think he is better than Tyler

Remigius

5/22/19 10:54pm

TJ is horrible.

5/22/19 11:19pm

Tj is horrible??? 🤨

gmoney7

5/22/19 11:42pm

He makes a lot of dumb/bad turnovers too.

5/23/19 12:12am

What statistic has TJ's defense in the 29th percentile? I think you are getting

BYUheaven

5/23/19 12:42am

TJ’s offensive stats are misleading.

5/23/19 8:58am

TJ's offensive rating was 117.3, which is nationally 31st best of people with at least 24% of possessions used

Indy Coug

5/23/19 9:08am

This post is impressive

Schultz is back

5/23/19 9:30am

Link?

Orem58thBall

5/23/19 10:33am

did he say that prior to playing BYU? Mark is a very respectful, kind man...

icecougar

5/23/19 11:19am

Call me a homer but I think TJ is one of the best PGs in the west.

thebruce

5/23/19 11:25am

Totally. I would take TJ over most of the returning PG's...

icecougar

5/23/19 11:30am

I guess I'm taking it a step further and saying I think he's one of the best

thebruce

5/23/19 2:24pm

Hard to see how TJ doesn't have his best year. Better shooters among teammates

roseyscenario

5/23/19 2:38pm

Few says nice things about BYU because he's a class act

5/23/19 11:29pm

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5/23/19 11:48pm

No worries brother. I'm just offering a different perspective.

5/24/19 1:26pm

And the player most worth paying to watch was TJ, by a wide margin. We have

roseyscenario

5/24/19 5:35pm

Let's look at the Advanced stats then, shall we. TJ ranks 1701 out of the 2320

5/24/19 11:39pm

Ummm wut

thebruce

5/25/19 12:49am

<< Deleted >>

5/25/19 7:33am

Spot on as always. Until recently i believed kenpom was go to place for NBA and

roseyscenario

5/25/19 7:52am

PPP is not a good Individual Defense Statistic

5/25/19 1:47pm

This defensive rating is not very good either, no offense

kimdaddy35

5/28/19 11:46am

Defense is extremely hard to measure correctly by metrics

thebruce

5/28/19 11:51am

I agree 100%. You have to use a bunch of metrics, the eye test

kimdaddy35

5/28/19 11:59am

This is a really bad take. One you are welcomed to have, but a really bad one

unctoothman

5/24/19 3:17pm

I love when people spout of ideas like they are facts with nothing to back it up

BYUheaven

5/23/19 9:32am

I love it when people self-identify

Epileptic Beagle

5/23/19 9:56am

Opposite is true. Stats understate his play. Teammates can't shoot, causing him

roseyscenario

5/23/19 10:42am

SMH.... all time BYU great? You're over selling things to try and make your point.

Wingnut

5/23/19 10:44am

i see you know how to focus on what's important. You'll shake more when i reveal

roseyscenario

5/23/19 10:55am

Look rosey, the kid came in with expectations higher than anyone I can remember in recent history and he has

Wingnut

5/23/19 11:03am

He had a lot of hype — which isn't fair since he was actually rated in

thebruce

5/23/19 2:27pm

We can disagree on this. I really hope he has a great season coming up.

Wingnut

5/23/19 2:50pm

<< Deleted >>

Wingnut

5/23/19 2:50pm

Simpletons often oversimplify. Thanks for the evidence.

Big Daddy D

5/24/19 9:49am

Not true. Tyler did more than just one thing better than TJ...

icecougar

5/23/19 11:01am

/\ I could not agree more /\

Wingnut

5/23/19 11:12am

Hest better than Tyler IMO

thebruce

5/23/19 6:21am

Ok

Wingnut

5/23/19 10:05am

But mostly he's trashed gratuitously and constantly by our friend 52Cougar

roseyscenario

5/23/19 12:27am

I expect noticeable improvement

bigjohn

5/23/19 6:13am

I would be happy if he's just as good as last year.

MaxxPower

5/23/19 9:27am

Coaches need to instill a vision, loyalty to team, etc.

Hill4Heisman

5/23/19 11:17am

You don't know what you think you know

kimdaddy35

5/23/19 11:38am

Maybe he left because he simply didn't want to be at BYU anymore.

Byu_1988

5/25/19 1:44pm

Since we are talking anlytics

gww687

5/25/19 5:09pm

Ceteris paribus

roseyscenario

5/25/19 5:20pm

RE: Ceteris paribus

gww687

5/25/19 9:55pm

It drives more 3s at the cost of mid range shots. But analytics consider more

roseyscenario

5/25/19 11:41pm

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