I thought the police were getting these from gedmatch.com

Jul 23, 2019
12:48:10pm

El Careeb Mucho Mojo

where people upload the results they get from Ancestry and 23andMe on their own, not directly from the companies. Maybe that's just where it started though.

The Atlantic

How a Tiny Website Became the Police's Go-To Genealogy Database

“I never expected anything like this.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/06/gedmatch-police-genealogy-database/561695/

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CB attorneys, how do you feel about Ancestry collecting DNA from Person A,

thecthdox

7/23/19 12:09pm

What did they tell you that you were going to do with your DNA? Did

Baron

7/23/19 12:12pm

Cant use it for arrest but can use it to help investigation.

shimmy

7/23/19 12:13pm

Golden State killer. They found several 3rd cousins level DNA. Figured out who were common great (maybe another great),

Hank Rearden

7/23/19 12:20pm

Yeah. I’m cool with that so long as the original dna person consented.

shimmy

7/23/19 12:21pm

Not on ancestry

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:01pm

Thanks, yeah, I didn’t mean to imply that, just explaing how they used DNA to catch a killer.

Hank Rearden

7/23/19 8:50pm

You specified non violent. Here is a case where it helped solve a violent crime

dratax

7/23/19 12:21pm

Nobody is combing DNA samples for a snatch and grab, so the hypothetical is

rcbyufan

7/23/19 12:23pm

Avoiding violent crimes to remove emotion and because something used for

thecthdox

7/23/19 12:36pm

I am a fan of hypotheticals and pushing the edges to see weak spots.

rcbyufan

7/23/19 12:39pm

I love it. It’s what should happen.

RdF3

7/23/19 12:15pm

Wouldn't it be hard to conclude that Luke had to have committed the crime?

durandal

7/23/19 12:15pm

Ah, but I set the facts of the hypothetical. Assume it was convincing enough

thecthdox

7/23/19 12:38pm

I'm just trying to make Luke's case for him. If the evidence is, "the DNA

durandal

7/23/19 1:09pm

Need more information. Had any of Luke's limbs been severed?

Pelado

7/23/19 12:15pm

Just a hand, but he got a sweet prosthetic.

thecthdox

7/23/19 12:38pm

Why are you asking only attorneys?

rcbyufan

7/23/19 12:16pm

No problem using it to catch scumbags. Put them away! Love it.

Acorn

7/23/19 12:17pm

So you want less rights?

BYUSeahawks

7/23/19 12:20pm

Police matching up criminals' DNA doesn't impinge on my rights

Acorn

7/23/19 12:27pm

Lol. I think my rights will be just fine in this scenario.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/23/19 12:52pm

Let's put scumbags away but not at the expense of constitutional rights

Baron

7/23/19 12:21pm

Please explain what constitutional rights are being violated in these police

Acorn

7/23/19 12:33pm

Not saying they are. I would need to know the specific

Baron

7/23/19 12:38pm

Just as I thought. Implying a constitutional violation when there is none.

Acorn

7/23/19 12:42pm

Glad you fixed it.

Baron

7/23/19 12:45pm

Luke and Leia? Sounds made up

TNT

7/23/19 12:21pm

I knew I should never have trusted Luke. No wonder he was hiding on an island.

BW84

7/23/19 12:34pm

I hate it.

ironman1315

7/23/19 12:29pm

Check the FAQ. Ancestry does not share with police unless under court order

mtnbiker

7/23/19 12:32pm

Other services do though

TEXAS

7/23/19 12:57pm

Only Gedmatch, I believe, because they are free and open source

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:02pm

I believe a couple other do as well

TEXAS

7/23/19 1:03pm

None of the major paid sites, do.

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:05pm

I'd pay extra for them to destroy my information and not add it to the database.

conetah

7/23/19 12:40pm

I thought the police were getting these from gedmatch.com

El Careeb

7/23/19 12:48pm

I’m against anything that helps law enforcement and brings justice to

Gerald-DeGroot

7/23/19 12:49pm

What is the due process concern?

cracka

7/23/19 1:03pm

I'd like to see the full argument. Most of the ones I've heard have been more

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:07pm

How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

CoogsWin

7/23/19 1:06pm

RE: How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

durandal

7/23/19 1:31pm

RE: How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

TEXAS

7/23/19 1:42pm

RE: How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

DapperDan

7/23/19 1:56pm

RE: How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

AFCougK9

7/23/19 2:56pm

If that’s ever a crime. We have wayyyy more problems to worry about than DNA.

Gerald-DeGroot

7/23/19 3:05pm

I don't think your scenario is even really close to what happens with this.

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:12pm

Exactly. They will always have at the very least a ton of circumstantial

Gerald-DeGroot

7/23/19 3:06pm

The hypothetical is meant to see how far as a society we will go. I once saw a

thecthdox

7/23/19 8:06pm

Not a fan. Too much information given to government.

UNLVcougar

7/23/19 1:13pm

Leia marries Luke to get into the country legally, oh wait...got my names mixed

Romex

7/23/19 1:13pm

I'd be upset if Ancestry or 23andme as private companies gave away info. But getting date from an open site where people

JayOwen

7/23/19 4:15pm

They don't give away data.

mtnbiker

7/23/19 6:53pm

So thanks for all the responses. Instead of due process what if Luke makes an

thecthdox

7/23/19 8:09pm

He'd lose.

ironman1315

7/23/19 8:33pm

I'm not an attorney, so take this opinion with that grain of salt. I have no

durandal

7/23/19 8:58pm

The question of search is one of privacy

ironman1315

7/23/19 9:39pm

For the record, my sisters have already done this so there if the police were

thecthdox

7/23/19 8:11pm

Bear Brook

Sherlock

7/23/19 9:11pm

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