lots of friends that play golf, the discussion would get heated. Real dislike for rivals coaches, fans and institutions were heated.

While the friendships remained, no apologies given or asked for when the cheap shots were thrown.

Now it is polite discussion. Ute fan wondering why the spread is so low and BYU fan wondering the same thing. BYU fans discussing getting to a good bowl game is not a threat or something the Ute fans comment on, except some say, yea that would be great for you.

BYU fans reluctantly wishing them a good season in the PAC12, with fingers crossed behind the back.