People said Pope wouldn't listen because we were in a lousy conference that we can't win and we aren't committed to winning by being in the WCC and aren't interested in winning, just exposure and clean program. The rhetoric is just a replay of this. D1 jobs in basketball and football that pay what they do even at BYU are just that, 7 figure jobs. I assume we would want somebody with that same confidence whether they wanted to be here long term or not. Pope's a confident guy and has been at BYU. Sure he understands all of the good and all of the bad.