Sounds like allegations not evidence but even you quoted the algorithm is legal

Feb 17, 2020
10:20:06pm

gmj81 All-American

Where the astros quite unquote broke the rules was using live feed in real time in combination with all the other technically legally obtained info.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Astros players get plunked all year long

LifeLongLakerFan

2/17/20 8:55pm

There was action against the organization, but I agree with your basic point.

CouchPotato

2/17/20 9:01pm

They just fired the best GM and the best manager in the game. They also ensured

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:03pm

Luhnow and Hinch were complete tools. A couple years of tainted winning don't

Jesse Pinkman

2/17/20 9:10pm

I think the reason people aren’t getting over it is because it’s unacceptable

Medute

2/17/20 9:13pm

I think it's telling you talk about the Dodgers and Yankees "buying their way into contention"

jdub

2/17/20 9:16pm

It’s the truth. I don’t care if it’s tone deaf. I also agree that they should

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:20pm

Overblown? They literally won the WS by cheating. They almost won a second one cheating

jdub

2/17/20 9:23pm

Exhibit A.

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:24pm

LOL. The best manager in the game? How are we to know?

LifeLongLakerFan

2/17/20 9:19pm

They broke the rules and paid an appropriate penalty. The advantage they

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:23pm

Marginal? Have you ever played the game?

LifeLongLakerFan

2/17/20 9:26pm

They were better on the road than at home. They have a stockpile of great

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:33pm

They also cheated on the road

BYUfan92

2/17/20 9:47pm

Where did they set up the road camera?

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:49pm

Code breaker info being fed to players live time, was reported on

BYUfan92

2/17/20 9:55pm

How?

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:58pm

See my post just below - from Ken Rosenthal

BYUfan92

2/17/20 10:06pm

Evidence?

gmj81

2/17/20 9:55pm

Here you go

BYUfan92

2/17/20 10:05pm

One more here, all below are direct quotes,

BYUfan92

2/17/20 10:13pm

Sounds like allegations not evidence but even you quoted the algorithm is legal

gmj81

2/17/20 10:20pm

Astro fans are the greatest . . . Still trying to defend this crap . . .

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 10:26pm

But defending what they did per se, just don't get why it's the end of the world

gmj81

2/17/20 10:30pm

I don't think it is either. It just hilariously how delusional the Astros are.

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 10:38pm

Because they used it to win a world championship

BYUfan92

2/17/20 11:10pm

And they were a very mediocre team and had been a terrible team for decades

AZ Coug

2/17/20 11:15pm

There still hasn't been evidence of road cheating yet. Not saying there wasn't

gmj81

2/18/20 4:33am

They're like Utes with a drawl

AZ Coug

2/17/20 10:30pm

Why are you saying quote unquote? It’s also not allegations if you read it

BYUfan92

2/17/20 10:33pm

Hinch was 89-123 with the D-backs. A dismal failure until he started cheating.

AZ Coug

2/17/20 10:18pm

Lemme guess....Astros fan?

BYUfan92

2/17/20 9:21pm

Yes, since I was 8 years old. Never have I felt more disappointed in my team.

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:23pm

Astro fans should boo 'em tell they trade 'em all. You guys deserve better

777

2/17/20 9:29pm

If everybody who ever stole signs were kicked out there’d be nobody left. They

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:35pm

Everybody steals signs. Not everybody uses technology like the Astros and Red Sox to do it. Stop bringing "everybody"

CouchPotato

2/17/20 9:39pm

I meant to say that everybody steals signs, non electronically, and before 2017

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:43pm

Come on now. Don't justify this. If the A's did this I'd boo them all

777

2/17/20 9:41pm

Fiers and Kemp did do it. So get to it

gmj81

2/17/20 9:48pm

I already have. I hope they get 50 games or traded. And he was the only

777

2/17/20 10:42pm

After he already has his ring though, right? And after signing a with

gmj81

2/18/20 4:36am

I’m not justifying anything. I’ve said multiple times throughout this thread

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:48pm

For 5 mill, a few lost picks that don’t impact you for years, a GM & a manager

BYUfan92

2/17/20 9:45pm

I think the players union would allow it, but the trade for immunity was necessary. I think they should forfeit the WS

shimmy

2/17/20 9:26pm

Spoken like a true Astro . . . Whats next, the cheating didn't affect the games?

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 9:39pm

We already know the Astros players, coaches and front office are garbage people

AZ Coug

2/17/20 10:20pm

Hard to argue with that, you do seem like a solid judge of character. I’ve

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:26pm

I guess I missed the outcry among the Astros fans over the scandal

AZ Coug

2/17/20 10:31pm

You have missed it. It hit a lot of us pretty hard. You’ll excuse us though if

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:40pm

You're really gonna try to defend this crap?

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 10:35pm

I don’t care what they say to the media, and I’m just a regular fan, I’m not

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:42pm

Deflagte was nothing. This isn't nothing.

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 10:53pm

Deflategate dominated sports media for 6 months, and riled up irrational fans

BigD Coug

2/17/20 11:02pm

I agree with you 100%. I didn't mean that deflategate didn't get attention, just

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 11:09pm

That's not what people were saying at the time.

gmj81

2/18/20 4:39am

This is the kind of hyperbole that totally ruins any point you may have

gmj81

2/17/20 10:31pm

Thanks for your inputs.

AZ Coug

2/17/20 10:32pm

Please provide. As yet it's just unnamed sources from what I've seen without

gmj81

2/18/20 4:42am

All of your points were ruined as soon as you became an Astros fan

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 10:41pm

There's that hyperbole again

gmj81

2/18/20 4:40am

Lol.

StantonMac

2/17/20 9:40pm

In what way are the Dodgers buying their way to contention?

StantonMac

2/17/20 9:46pm

They are a Tier I, top 4 payroll in baseball. That alone ensures they contend

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:57pm

As your guy Correa says... you should get some facts

StantonMac

2/17/20 11:49pm

Here are the MLB payroll rankings since McCourt sold the team:

BigD Coug

2/18/20 12:20am

The irony is that the Dodgers have not bought their way into contention.

tarzan15

2/17/20 9:54pm

They have a top 2 payroll in baseball. They have smartly built their team

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:02pm

Let's not shy away from the fact that the Astros are #3

tarzan15

2/17/20 11:02pm

Yep, the Greinke trade pushed them into the stratosphere, but then they had to

BigD Coug

2/17/20 11:08pm

Let's be honest, there was zero chance they were signing Cole

tarzan15

2/17/20 11:33pm

Also, check out this out:

tarzan15

2/17/20 11:03pm

I am as upset as anyone with what the Astros did. However,

BigEasyCougar

2/17/20 9:36pm

Precisely why MLB should punish them

Colorado

2/17/20 9:38pm

Yep. But I still don’t think other teams should throw at them.

BigEasyCougar

2/17/20 9:42pm

And they most likely won't. Pitchers have been neutered in this league.

777

2/17/20 9:44pm

Legal ramifications? So those aren't in play for the everyday intentional

LifeLongLakerFan

2/17/20 9:46pm

Any body intentionally trying to hurt a hitter should be charged with assault

gmj81

2/17/20 9:58pm

There should be legal ramifications for cheating. So many lives affected by it.

Colorado

2/17/20 10:30pm

So many lives? Pray tell

gmj81

2/17/20 10:32pm

many pitchers lost reputations. Most of them will be fine financially but

Colorado

2/18/20 5:55am

I'm sure the buzzers or trash cans will warn them about any bean balls

AZ Coug

2/17/20 10:34pm

So what should the legal ramifications be for the Astros? Insider trading?

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 10:43pm

Unfair business practices. Yes. I hope that pitcher wins the lawsuit.

BigEasyCougar

2/18/20 5:07am

Agreed. They should be punished.

LifeLongLakerFan

2/17/20 9:41pm

Apparently so.

BigD Coug

2/17/20 9:50pm

Yep. And no apologies for it here.

LifeLongLakerFan

2/17/20 10:00pm

Alrighty then. Let the beatings begin.

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:22pm

See the OP.

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