But P.S. the opposite is also true; people can’t argue that the punishment

Feb 18, 2020
10:52:00am

Scratch All-American

should be more severe because of the benefits the Astros gained when the evidence shows there wasn’t really much of a benefit. The punishment should be for the fact that they cheated, the impact should have no bearing on punishment either way.

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Imagine trying to hit one of these pitches without knowing what was coming

Medute

2/18/20 7:21am

But everybody steals signs. Did the Astros go too far? Yes. But to think that

rggee

2/18/20 7:23am

So the Astros went too far and cheated to win a WS

Medute

2/18/20 7:26am

Correct. The Red Sox also cheated and are being investigated.

TCuz

2/18/20 7:29am

I guarantee the Yankees did too. Just ask Carlos Beltran.

rggee

2/18/20 7:33am

"The report noted that the Yankees had been using their video replay room to

rggee

2/18/20 7:37am

Fan of cheating team tries to sling dirt at others to downplay cheating. Nah.

TCuz

2/18/20 7:38am

To think this was isolated to 1 or 2 teams is simply naive. I'm sure at least

rggee

2/18/20 7:40am

I’m sure all the fans of cheating teams will tell themselves that.

TCuz

2/18/20 7:46am

That's a really bad attempt at justification, and your guarantee isn't worth anything

jdub

2/18/20 7:48am

I'm not justifying it. It crossed the line 100% and needs to stop.

rggee

2/18/20 8:20am

RE: To think this was isolated to 1 or 2 teams is simply naive. I'm sure at

COACHdrn

2/18/20 8:33am

You can "thumbs down" me all you want. That doesn't change the fact that it's...

COACHdrn

2/18/20 8:58am

Astros are the only ones who

memento

2/18/20 7:41am

Have you seen the reaction of just about every other team about the ...

COACHdrn

2/18/20 8:10am

If everyone is doing it, how are the Astros the only team to go from worst

AZ Coug

2/18/20 10:40pm

The same crappy lineup? Huh?

Scratch

2/18/20 10:54pm

Blind Hate

GulfCoastcoug

2/19/20 7:57am

Yep. So the cheating didn't help them, right?

AZ Coug

2/19/20 5:32pm

Where are you getting this 3 years concept

GulfCoastcoug

2/20/20 10:58pm

There are obvious reason to believe it's been 3 years (or more) and frankly,...

COACHdrn

2/21/20 12:23am

So be it

GulfCoastcoug

2/21/20 7:21am

Do the stats support your claim?

Baron

2/18/20 7:24am

5 players' postseason stats from 2017

Medute

2/18/20 7:30am

And? What are their historical splits? Other teams splits?

Baron

2/18/20 7:31am

They were doing it at home and on the road. Sample sizes that small are almost

Scratch

2/18/20 7:46am

Not being provocative, really! What pitch is each of those supposed to depict?

StarMan

2/18/20 7:34am

WOW, I just came up with a good punishment for the Astros batters....

StarMan

2/18/20 7:36am

Not sure how or why anyone couldn’t easily understand how big of a deal and

Gerald-DeGroot

2/18/20 7:37am

Come on- for professionals it’s a huge deal. For 95% of us we could know 100%

SouthernBlueBlood

2/18/20 7:44am

Now imagine trying to hit one of those pitches when you’re pretty sure a

Scratch

2/18/20 7:52am

Other than helping them win the WS you mean.

jdub

2/18/20 8:00am

Except we don’t actually know if it helped them win the WS. We know that they

Scratch

2/18/20 8:05am

So the punishment should be lighter

memento

2/18/20 8:19am

Nope, never said that. I'm only addressing the argument that it provided some

Scratch

2/18/20 8:35am

If it didn’t provide a benefit they would have stopped

memento

2/18/20 9:03am

They did stop. And the evidence shows that it did not really help.

Scratch

2/18/20 9:11am

Except they used it in the playoffs, so clearly they thought

memento

2/18/20 10:21am

READ MY POSTS, I NEVER SAID IT WASN'T BAD. I SAID IT WAS BAD AND THEY SHOULD BE

Scratch

2/18/20 10:24am

YELLING WORKS!

memento

2/18/20 10:45am

Not yelling wasn’t working. The efficacy of the cheating should have no bearing

Scratch

2/18/20 10:47am

But P.S. the opposite is also true; people can’t argue that the punishment

Scratch

2/18/20 10:52am

The punishment is light no matter what.

memento

2/18/20 1:26pm

And P.S., at the time of the 2017 playiffs they obviously believed it was worth

Scratch

2/18/20 10:25am

You have evidence they stopped?

Colorado

2/18/20 11:13am

Yep. That's what everyone said and that MLB's investigation agreed.

Scratch

2/18/20 11:24am

MLB only said they didn't find evidence. It may be conspiratorial, but the

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