I agree the Jazz could build a team like that. Where Toronto was fortunate was the lack of other

Jun 30, 2020
12:19:12pm

unctoothman Truly Addicted User

"good" teams last season. Bucks weren't as strong, both LA teams were much worse than now and going forward, Houston wasn't as good, GSW was mostly broken, etc. Getting out of the West is much tougher than getting out of the east.

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POLL: Which is best for the Jazz (which would make them the most competitive team for the next 3-5 years):

unctoothman Truly Addicted User

6/29/20 11:48pm

Mitchell is gone

yaxcoug

6/29/20 11:49pm

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Cougazul

6/29/20 11:55pm

He also can’t, we can match offers this first go around.

Alpi Gusto

6/30/20 12:06am

Yes, but I bet he asks for a trade.

yaxcoug

6/30/20 12:14am

If he does the jazz have time on their side to find a good deal.

JoeExotic

6/30/20 2:27am

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Cougazul

6/30/20 12:16am

This is not correct. If the Jazz offer him

wjman11

6/30/20 1:11am

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Cougazul

6/30/20 8:31am

If he accepts the 1 year QO, he can be unrestricted after year 5

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 8:44am

But no player has ever done this when they had a four year contract at or near

wjman11

6/30/20 10:33am

True, very risky. Really just used as a negotiation tactic

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 11:40am

Dudes are willing to give up money to play where they want. See Kawhi & AD,

LakeshowCougs

6/30/20 8:05am

Kawhi made up for it with an arrangement he only has to play 2/3 of the games.

ochobeeguy

6/30/20 9:32am

That's not giving up 20 million a year with nothing guaranteed long term

cougaman

6/30/20 9:56am

Don't bring that evil on us.

SandYFan

6/29/20 11:55pm

I hope I’m wrong

yaxcoug

6/30/20 12:04am

I don't think you can win a title with a center who can't defend the

SandYFan

6/29/20 11:56pm

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Cougazul

6/30/20 12:04am

Is the point you’re really trying to make is that you don’t

wjman11

6/30/20 1:20am

They aren't paying those guys the supermax

Huge Manatee

6/30/20 6:40am

I understand that. But that’s not what the post said.

wjman11

6/30/20 8:17am

I think he means that your star players can’t do that

puntersarepeople

6/30/20 9:32am

Most of the teams that have won recent titles have had three max level players.

wjman11

6/30/20 10:39am

Sure, but signing the supermax would make it impossible to add those other two

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 11:45am

There are three ways to get the superstar — draft, trade, free agency.

wjman11

6/30/20 1:26pm

I probably shouldn’t have used impossible, but almost.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 1:44pm

I think what you brought up with the luxury tax is the more important issue.

wjman11

6/30/20 2:06pm

Biggest roadblocks: Luxury Tax and Depletion of roster.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 2:34pm

Keep Mitchell and re-sign Rudy for less than the supermax

ManicBlue

6/30/20 12:34am

Yeah I think Rudy would be willing to take less than the supermax.

JuicyJam

6/30/20 7:29am

Rudy is the best player on the team. Better than Don. Keeping Rudy seems to be

RGreenha

6/30/20 7:05am

While I tend to agree. The league is so guard dominated now.

FinanceCoug

6/30/20 7:11am

Easier to get a skilled guard than skilled big. This is why it is guard dominant

ochobeeguy

6/30/20 9:33am

This is true, but Rudy isn’t a skilled big. At least not in the sense you mean

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 9:45am

Mitchell is #9 in advanced clutch ranking for NBA. Gobert is #14.

ochobeeguy

6/30/20 10:01am

So he just needs to do it over the entirety of the game and in the playoffs.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 11:33am

You can’t win a championship with Gobert being one of your top 2 paid guys

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 8:26am

You can’t win a championship without superstars forcing their way onto your team

Pepe

6/30/20 9:20am

The Raptors just won last year.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 9:34am

Kawhi was a huge upgrade in that trade. Also, it was a perfect storm for Toronto to win it.

unctoothman

6/30/20 9:45am

Sure, but there’s nothing keeping the jazz from doing something similar.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 9:50am

I agree the Jazz could build a team like that. Where Toronto was fortunate was the lack of other

unctoothman

6/30/20 12:19pm

True, the GS injuries were pretty big.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 12:35pm

Unfortunately, they drafted "generational talent" type guys twice

unctoothman

6/30/20 2:20pm

But they got very close and if you replay the Malone/Stockton careers 10 times

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 2:31pm

If they can get a top 5 player for Rudy by all means, trade him.

Pepe

6/30/20 10:23am

I actually think there’s a bigger argument for trading Donovan

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 11:38am

Well first off, he isn’t a top 20 player.

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 5:14pm

He’s definitely a top 20 player

wjman11

6/30/20 6:58pm

My bet is that Mwangolecoug9 isn't even familiar with advanced stats.

JoeExotic

6/30/20 7:03pm

Here are some rankings

wjman11

6/30/20 7:15pm

Ok, but then you have to admit Booker is better than Mitchell

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 7:25pm

I don’t have a problem with that. Not sure why you assumed I did.

wjman11

6/30/20 7:38pm

I assumed you were a jazz fan and most jazz fans think Mitchell is better.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 7:59pm

Analytics are important, but you cant derive entire evaluations off of just

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 7:32pm

Go ahead and average a bunch of stats together.

wjman11

6/30/20 7:44pm

I think from a production standpoint, Rudy is a top 20 guy

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 8:04pm

You completely missed the point I was trying to make about analytics

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 8:51pm

I didn’t miss your point. I just don’t agree with you.

wjman11

6/30/20 9:28pm

There are biases on both ends

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 9:37pm

Again I didn’t miss your point. I just didn’t think it worthwhile

wjman11

6/30/20 10:15pm

You can literally do that with any analytical measure that you showed me

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 10:48pm

Please show me any evidence for your "I’m just telling you the actual people

wjman11

6/30/20 11:07pm

Also — I didn't point to one statistical measure — I gave you six that showed

wjman11

6/30/20 11:25pm

Majority of jazz fans don’t have primary goal of championship

JoeExotic

6/30/20 1:07pm

I just think you need to have a chance. Jazz will probably never be a favorite

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 1:49pm

I disagree. But I'm not a Jazz fan who lives in Utah, so maybe I don't live around what you re describing.

unctoothman

6/30/20 2:21pm

I would say most jazz fans are more like Hypnotoad and others on here

JoeExotic

6/30/20 3:46pm

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