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Jun 30, 2020
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making basketball decisions for their franchise for the most part don’t value Gobert as top 20 player in the league."

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POLL: Which is best for the Jazz (which would make them the most competitive team for the next 3-5 years):

unctoothman Truly Addicted User

6/29/20 11:48pm

Mitchell is gone

yaxcoug

6/29/20 11:49pm

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Cougazul

6/29/20 11:55pm

He also can’t, we can match offers this first go around.

Alpi Gusto

6/30/20 12:06am

Yes, but I bet he asks for a trade.

yaxcoug

6/30/20 12:14am

If he does the jazz have time on their side to find a good deal.

JoeExotic

6/30/20 2:27am

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Cougazul

6/30/20 12:16am

This is not correct. If the Jazz offer him

wjman11

6/30/20 1:11am

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Cougazul

6/30/20 8:31am

If he accepts the 1 year QO, he can be unrestricted after year 5

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 8:44am

But no player has ever done this when they had a four year contract at or near

wjman11

6/30/20 10:33am

True, very risky. Really just used as a negotiation tactic

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 11:40am

Dudes are willing to give up money to play where they want. See Kawhi & AD,

LakeshowCougs

6/30/20 8:05am

Kawhi made up for it with an arrangement he only has to play 2/3 of the games.

ochobeeguy

6/30/20 9:32am

That's not giving up 20 million a year with nothing guaranteed long term

cougaman

6/30/20 9:56am

Don't bring that evil on us.

SandYFan

6/29/20 11:55pm

I hope I’m wrong

yaxcoug

6/30/20 12:04am

I don't think you can win a title with a center who can't defend the

SandYFan

6/29/20 11:56pm

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Cougazul

6/30/20 12:04am

Is the point you’re really trying to make is that you don’t

wjman11

6/30/20 1:20am

They aren't paying those guys the supermax

Huge Manatee

6/30/20 6:40am

I understand that. But that’s not what the post said.

wjman11

6/30/20 8:17am

I think he means that your star players can’t do that

puntersarepeople

6/30/20 9:32am

Most of the teams that have won recent titles have had three max level players.

wjman11

6/30/20 10:39am

Sure, but signing the supermax would make it impossible to add those other two

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 11:45am

There are three ways to get the superstar — draft, trade, free agency.

wjman11

6/30/20 1:26pm

I probably shouldn’t have used impossible, but almost.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 1:44pm

I think what you brought up with the luxury tax is the more important issue.

wjman11

6/30/20 2:06pm

Biggest roadblocks: Luxury Tax and Depletion of roster.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 2:34pm

Keep Mitchell and re-sign Rudy for less than the supermax

ManicBlue

6/30/20 12:34am

Yeah I think Rudy would be willing to take less than the supermax.

JuicyJam

6/30/20 7:29am

Rudy is the best player on the team. Better than Don. Keeping Rudy seems to be

RGreenha

6/30/20 7:05am

While I tend to agree. The league is so guard dominated now.

FinanceCoug

6/30/20 7:11am

Easier to get a skilled guard than skilled big. This is why it is guard dominant

ochobeeguy

6/30/20 9:33am

This is true, but Rudy isn’t a skilled big. At least not in the sense you mean

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 9:45am

Mitchell is #9 in advanced clutch ranking for NBA. Gobert is #14.

ochobeeguy

6/30/20 10:01am

So he just needs to do it over the entirety of the game and in the playoffs.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 11:33am

You can’t win a championship with Gobert being one of your top 2 paid guys

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 8:26am

You can’t win a championship without superstars forcing their way onto your team

Pepe

6/30/20 9:20am

The Raptors just won last year.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 9:34am

Kawhi was a huge upgrade in that trade. Also, it was a perfect storm for Toronto to win it.

unctoothman

6/30/20 9:45am

Sure, but there’s nothing keeping the jazz from doing something similar.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 9:50am

I agree the Jazz could build a team like that. Where Toronto was fortunate was the lack of other

unctoothman

6/30/20 12:19pm

True, the GS injuries were pretty big.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 12:35pm

Unfortunately, they drafted "generational talent" type guys twice

unctoothman

6/30/20 2:20pm

But they got very close and if you replay the Malone/Stockton careers 10 times

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 2:31pm

If they can get a top 5 player for Rudy by all means, trade him.

Pepe

6/30/20 10:23am

I actually think there’s a bigger argument for trading Donovan

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 11:38am

Well first off, he isn’t a top 20 player.

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 5:14pm

He’s definitely a top 20 player

wjman11

6/30/20 6:58pm

My bet is that Mwangolecoug9 isn't even familiar with advanced stats.

JoeExotic

6/30/20 7:03pm

Here are some rankings

wjman11

6/30/20 7:15pm

Ok, but then you have to admit Booker is better than Mitchell

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 7:25pm

I don’t have a problem with that. Not sure why you assumed I did.

wjman11

6/30/20 7:38pm

I assumed you were a jazz fan and most jazz fans think Mitchell is better.

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 7:59pm

Analytics are important, but you cant derive entire evaluations off of just

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 7:32pm

Go ahead and average a bunch of stats together.

wjman11

6/30/20 7:44pm

I think from a production standpoint, Rudy is a top 20 guy

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 8:04pm

You completely missed the point I was trying to make about analytics

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 8:51pm

I didn’t miss your point. I just don’t agree with you.

wjman11

6/30/20 9:28pm

There are biases on both ends

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 9:37pm

Again I didn’t miss your point. I just didn’t think it worthwhile

wjman11

6/30/20 10:15pm

You can literally do that with any analytical measure that you showed me

MwangoleCoug9

6/30/20 10:48pm

Please show me any evidence for your "I’m just telling you the actual people

wjman11

6/30/20 11:07pm

Also — I didn't point to one statistical measure — I gave you six that showed

wjman11

6/30/20 11:25pm

Majority of jazz fans don’t have primary goal of championship

JoeExotic

6/30/20 1:07pm

I just think you need to have a chance. Jazz will probably never be a favorite

PHXSUNS31

6/30/20 1:49pm

I disagree. But I'm not a Jazz fan who lives in Utah, so maybe I don't live around what you re describing.

unctoothman

6/30/20 2:21pm

I would say most jazz fans are more like Hypnotoad and others on here

JoeExotic

6/30/20 3:46pm

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