Maybe just a pass/fail? If you succeed you get the ball at the 50?

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Mar 4, 2021
6:54:18am

rtNelson All-American

Even if you score a TD on the play? Seems silly that you could go for a hail mary with it.

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rtNelson

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POLL: Changing onside kick to 4th and 15 option:

Deleted True Conservative

3/4/21 6:41am

4th and 15 is almost too easy- 4th and 20 almost too hard

1984coug

3/4/21 6:44am

My guess is that 4th and 20 works more often than onside kicks.

panacablue

3/4/21 6:47am

4th and 25 from the 25. 1st down being the 50.

ParentingNotForSissy

3/4/21 8:24am

In BYU's experience the 4th down difference between too hard and too easy is 4th & 19. Two of BYU's biggest 4th down

SpiffCoug

3/4/21 6:55am

4th and 19

thegoodmeister

3/4/21 8:15am

BYU would never get the ball back.

panacablue

3/4/21 6:46am

RE: BYU would never get the ball back.

Littlerich

3/4/21 6:50am

RE: BYU would never get the ball back.

TwinsRight

3/4/21 6:55am

Yeah, that could get ugly really fast for teams with bad defenses.

BluebloodOR

3/4/21 11:15am

My biggest hesitation is playing for penalties

Deleted

3/4/21 6:48am

4th and 15 from where on the field? I think that’s important. If it’s from the

Lieutenant America

3/4/21 6:51am

Maybe just a pass/fail? If you succeed you get the ball at the 50?

rtNelson

3/4/21 6:54am

In either scenario it would be just get possession. I like the idea of having a

Lieutenant America

3/4/21 6:58am

I think being able to kick a nearly automatic FG would be a mistake.

rtNelson

3/4/21 7:07am

A FG would not count as a conversion

Lieutenant America

3/4/21 7:14am

I mean if successful being able to kick a fg.

rtNelson

3/4/21 7:30am

Gotta make it risky ie if you fail the other team is close for a td

Deleted

3/4/21 7:20am

Just give the other team the ball back at the 50 if they fail. Problem solved!

Lieutenant America

3/4/21 7:26am

4th and 15 from the 30. Same place as the kick.

Marvelous

3/4/21 7:42am

I think they should just reverse the kickoff rule changes for onside kicks.

Salami Karate

3/4/21 6:55am

The only reason I don’t like this

Desert Rat

3/4/21 7:13am

I would assume the PI on this play would be no different than Hail Mary plays.

ordinary tri guy

3/4/21 7:49am

They could just put in a special rule that automatic first downs don't apply, so

Still Questing

3/4/21 8:43am

Bad idea. But they need to figure out a way to make onside recovery more likely.

COACHdrn

3/4/21 7:15am

Why? Why do they need to make onside recovery more likely?

DMVCougar

3/4/21 7:43am

Sports are entertainment, it makes the outcome and finale more fun.

Nakedbootleg

3/4/21 7:52am

Well for one, they changed the rules for safety, and success % died as a result.

TCuz

3/4/21 8:02am

Shouldn't it be nearly impossible to retain perpetual possession?

DMVCougar

3/4/21 8:09am

It was nearly 21% before they changed the rules for safety. It fell to 6% and then bounced to 12% in 2019.

TCuz

3/4/21 8:17am

What are the stats on "expected" onside kicks?

krindorr

3/4/21 8:27am

Because we're cougs and we usually need this late in games.

MrClark

3/4/21 9:46am

A great idea. And can be tweaked to the perfect percentage. Whether that’s 4&15 or 12 or 18 or 23.

TCuz

3/4/21 7:19am

4 & 20 from their own 15 only in last 2 minutes of a game.

Qhall

3/4/21 9:36am

It would be fun,but I hate that we would watch refs decide more games.PI anyone?

Cougar TD

3/4/21 7:20am

As long as an onside kick is still an option. Element of suprise is lost when

BluebloodOR

3/4/21 11:14am

So can you still do a surprise onside kick?

(Private)

3/4/21 2:41pm

Great, but if you don’t get it, it’s a safety and you have to kick.

mikecito

3/4/21 8:43pm

I like that!

(Private)

3/5/21 6:23am

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