Also the decision was made long ago to have a single payer system for old people

Apr 7, 2021
8:46:54pm

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in this country. So not facilitating those conversations by compensating doctors for having them is just costing all of us more money.

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No matter how sick someone is and close to end of life there are some families who will ALWAYS be angry and offended if

Slim Intervention Needed

4/7/21 7:48pm

I agree. End of life care in America needs a significant paradigm shift.

hebercreeper

4/7/21 7:52pm

This should be everyone's take home message from this pandemic

kiyoshige

4/8/21 6:47am

Being Mortal; Everyone needs to read it

Noni Fruit

4/7/21 8:00pm

Amazing and important book

CDV

4/7/21 8:13pm

Yep. My Dad had terminal cancer. He chose to die at home. Maybe could have lived a few more months in a hospital

SpotOnOpinionsGuy

4/7/21 8:01pm

Death panels!!!!

JoeMamaBesser

4/7/21 8:02pm

What’s really sad is that because so many people refuse to think about these things or have these conversations we end

Slim

4/7/21 8:10pm

Couldn’t agree more. Both my parents passed away over the last 12 months...

JoeMamaBesser

4/7/21 8:21pm

You need government to intervene in private decisions about end of life care? Ok

SwanSong

4/7/21 8:30pm

That's not what the law called for but the talking point obscured that as

JoeMamaBesser

4/7/21 8:36pm

The problem with that line of thinking is that the government is already taking our money without our permission to pay

Slim

4/7/21 8:42pm

Also the decision was made long ago to have a single payer system for old people

JoeMamaBesser

4/7/21 8:46pm

If I remember correctly there were no panels in the proposal. It was an

StalwartBraveTrue

4/8/21 9:02am

Working in ICU was eye opening. Its so sad what kids subject their parents to.

Backcountry

4/7/21 8:03pm

My wife and I have this discussion. It’s not fun but we do. My kids are aware of

BPintheCouv

4/7/21 8:05pm

That’s why we have an electronic end-of-life care registry. People

AF Cougar

4/7/21 8:13pm

Great step but not enough. You have to actually talk to your loved ones. And for many people you have to educate

CDV

4/7/21 8:15pm

Amen. 7/10 times families will go directly against a POLST.

StalwartBraveTrue

4/7/21 9:48pm

I found this video to be helpful in deciding when to pull the plug

TCuz

4/7/21 8:17pm

When we talked to one family about hospice, they got angry with us because

KingDave

4/7/21 8:24pm

There's a story that has been handed down in my family

justAnotherCoug

4/7/21 8:32pm

Agree. My dad's decision about terminal illness was a real blessing

Orem58thBall

4/7/21 9:13pm

There was an article that was eye opening to me: how doctors die.

Cougarclaw

4/7/21 9:27pm

Great post. I volunteered in a large ICU for 13 years. The experience caused

WallaX2

4/7/21 9:39pm

“No heroic measures” is the worst line ever.

StalwartBraveTrue

4/7/21 9:47pm

No one knows what it actually means. Additionally there are lots of documents drawn up by lawyers RE end of life care

Slim

4/7/21 9:57pm

Completely agree. No one can convince me there’s a good substitute for talking

StalwartBraveTrue

4/9/21 11:48pm

I had a patients daughter ask me directly “would you place this g-tube if this

gtown

4/7/21 11:17pm

My dad had an early LVAD and it made hospice and dying very difficult. He needed to pass, but without the natural

mvtoro

4/8/21 12:17am

A big part of the problem is so many want to fight all the way despite odds

Bobmarleyjr

4/8/21 1:03am

my BIL had pancreatic cancer fought 4 two years

kiyoshige

4/8/21 6:52am

Wow that’s a long time to survive pancreatic cancer

Bobmarleyjr

4/8/21 10:32am

Yes it was. By the end the family was ready. Some are not.

kiyoshige

4/8/21 11:38am

It seems hospice is just pumping morphine

vabeachcoug

4/8/21 12:55pm

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