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Jun 10, 2021
8:44:59am

Squeegee All-American

My answer wasn't good enough?

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=26277965

Bear hunting with dogs was a natural evolution of deer hunting with dogs.

I think your take has been thoroughly dismissed as uninformed and prejudicial against houndsmen, and it feels like you're the only person who hasn't accepted that.

99% of the time, I don't hunt with dogs. At first, I thought it would be a turkey shoot. After having been in those shoes, though, I'm not going to argue that it's not fair chase.

Changing Perspective: Hound Hunting for Black Bears

The big, chocolate-colored boar was exactly the type of bear I’d dreamed of for years. This was the third time he’d bayed up on the ground in heavy cover and it was my last chance. Our crew had been after him for eight hours and, with evening approaching, there wasn’t time for another chase.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/black-bear/changing-perspective-hound-hunting-for-black-bears

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Squeegee

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Time

Update on the Bear Hunt

cornellcoug

6/9/21 5:29pm

Congrats!! Update us on the meat and preparations and your thoughts.

fldnstrm

6/9/21 5:33pm

I think that we are going to do the hams and mostly summer and Italian sausage

cornellcoug

6/9/21 5:43pm

Woh, does it usually take a big group of hounds like that?

6/9/21 5:35pm

It is a super cool process that they do and they are always training new dogs

cornellcoug

6/9/21 5:43pm

Poor bear

6/9/21 5:48pm

don't worry, he was probably a BAD bear.

Cougarclaw

6/9/21 5:55pm

My thoughts as well. I don't get it.

Zachs Mom

6/9/21 5:55pm

They taste great.

panacablue

6/9/21 6:04pm

In nature death is never pretty. It could easily be argued these bears had a more humane death than their cohorts

fldnstrm

6/9/21 6:11pm

Is it bad TNT laughed at your sig?

TNT

6/9/21 7:05pm

Very.

fldnstrm

6/9/21 8:10pm

Not at all. Totally appropriate.

TailgateU

6/10/21 12:06am

Its ok. Bears, like dogs, are unaware of their own existence and dont even

Backcountry

6/9/21 5:56pm

What about deer? They keep eating my garden and I’ve about had it

6/9/21 6:00pm

Same. Little robots. Driven by instinct. Also like dogs.

Backcountry

6/9/21 6:03pm

I don’t think anyone knows what animal consciousness is like. We don’t even

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:14pm

What about plants... they have a consciousness... we just don’t know how to

kotacoug

6/9/21 6:27pm

You’re making the assumption that I believe hunting is wrong because animal

Jstak17

6/11/21 1:51pm

Not a poor bear if you don't hunt them they will overpopulate, starve or succumb

BYU Grounds

6/10/21 5:18pm

Having a huge pack of hounds doesn’t sound like a hunt to me. Real sportsmen.

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:06pm

What, so you’re saying dogs can’t hunt? That’s mean

6/9/21 6:12pm

I guess it’s a hunt for the dogs. Not the people. Any one that walks can follow

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:18pm

This is unequivocally not true. The second bear taken was 1.5 miles away

cornellcoug

6/9/21 9:15pm

What's your preference? Language warning. Nature is brutal.

fldnstrm

6/9/21 6:14pm

Yeah, sending a huge pack of dogs on a bear isn’t natural. They are trained to

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:20pm

Packs of wolves would disagree.

fldnstrm

6/9/21 6:24pm

Read my whole post lol.

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:25pm

The pack of dogs has natural ability to track and tree animals training aside.

fldnstrm

6/9/21 6:28pm

Would dogs hunt a bear in nature? Seems like they would go after an easier

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:41pm

So it is about fairness. Gotcha.

fldnstrm

6/9/21 6:46pm

In a recreational hunt yes. Don’t we always want fairness? However, in this case

Jstak17

6/11/21 1:17pm

It wasn't very fair when you ate that Carne Asada...

Jericho

6/9/21 7:00pm

Holy non sequitur. You really have trouble following an argument. I’ve been on

Jstak17

6/9/21 10:54pm

Took me about 13 seconds of time I will never get back...

Jericho

6/9/21 10:58pm

Maybe you should have used a few more seconds to think about how me eating meat

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:02pm

Just saying, you’re not much of a sportsman...

Jericho

6/9/21 11:16pm

I guess not. Apparently getting a pack of dogs to chase down wild animals will

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:32pm

Nah, just hire an assassin to kill your food and cook it for you at CFA

Jericho

6/9/21 11:33pm

You are trying way too hard. Really hard to have a substantive discussion with

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:36pm

Sorry. I am fine with people having opinions

Jericho

6/9/21 11:41pm

It should be pretty obvious why a pack of dogs chasing down a wild animal isn’t

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:03am

See, you did it again.

Jericho

6/10/21 12:08am

Talking to a 16 year old, unable to have a discussion on the merits. Maybe less

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:14am

Still waiting for your “argument” to enter the chat

Jericho

6/10/21 12:17am

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Jstak17

6/10/21 12:18am

Your argument

Jericho

6/10/21 12:21am

Yep nothing natural about man using tools to hunt.....

kotacoug

6/9/21 6:24pm

Umm, no. It’s really pretty simple. And I’m not taking some treehugger line.

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:32pm

Lol.... seriously you think hunts are suppose to be fair? Haha

kotacoug

6/9/21 6:40pm

Maybe at least a chance for the animal to escape? Do you fish with Dynamite?

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:43pm

We have been using dogs to hunt for centuries

kotacoug

6/9/21 6:46pm

Is it fun? I’ve read Where the red fern grows. That seemed more of a challenge

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:50pm

Subsistance hunting and trophy hunting are very different

Hotlanta

6/9/21 6:51pm

Unless your vegetarian your argument rings hollow.

fldnstrm

6/9/21 6:54pm

In all cases, “trophy hunters” are not only trophy hunting

Jericho

6/9/21 7:10pm

Anyone who brings up ‘trophy’ hunting in argument has absolutely no clue about

kotacoug

6/9/21 8:00pm

I’m eating the meat. In fact on Saturday I am processing all of it.

cornellcoug

6/9/21 9:00pm

You kinda lost me at "fair".

Eddie

6/9/21 6:48pm

So, I think you need to draw the line somewhere. I have no problem with bird

Jstak17

6/9/21 6:57pm

I’ve taken many more animals with archery than I have with hounds

cornellcoug

6/9/21 9:04pm

Absolutely, this isn’t a personal attack. Just doesn’t seem much of a challenge

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:01pm

I can understand drawing the line somewhere.

Eddie

6/10/21 8:20am

I’ve been kind of surprised by the reaction quite honestly. Granted, it was

Jstak17

6/11/21 8:35am

The reaction stems from the second sentence of this post. It just comes off derisive.

fldnstrm

6/11/21 8:53am

You are right, I apologized in the last post I made.Plenty of sportsmen on here.

Jstak17

6/11/21 12:43pm

Conversation is good - we all can learn from each other.

Eddie

6/11/21 9:02am

Its funny because as the author of this post, I never took offense to it

cornellcoug

6/11/21 9:06am

That's the beauty of CB. You don't have to get offended.

Eddie

6/11/21 9:15am

I came at you with the “real sportsman” bash. Glad you didn’t take offense.

Jstak17

6/11/21 1:56pm

What are your thoughts on the ethics of using scopes? Binoculars?

cougfanblue

6/9/21 8:13pm

I haven’t really though about it. Most seem fine. Do you agree that a line has

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:18pm

To your point. Excuse typos, it's hard to do on phone.

fldnstrm

6/10/21 12:26am

Thank you for your explanation. Definitely helps me understand what is going on

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:35am

Next time those guys go to a movie, I hope it's shown vertically. USE LANDSCAPE!

6/9/21 7:47pm

Hunters are real conservationists. As opposed to people who whine about killing

Jericho

6/9/21 6:55pm

Why turn it political? No one here is whining about hunting. If you think thats

Jstak17

6/9/21 7:32pm

From a hunting perspective, it becomes death by a thousand cuts.

fldnstrm

6/9/21 7:44pm

Interesting, thanks for the explanation.

Jstak17

6/9/21 7:50pm

This is 100% accurate. Spot and stalk for bear is nearly impossible

cornellcoug

6/9/21 9:07pm

glad we got to the bottom of this.

Mayor of Cougartown

6/9/21 9:34pm

I went on a deer hunting trip that was chase hunting - it certainly seemed fair

Squeegee

6/9/21 8:28pm

I don’t know Squeegee it still sounds like Jstak knows way more than you....

kotacoug

6/9/21 8:50pm

Afraid to respond directly to me? I think a pretty good portion of people

Jstak17

6/9/21 10:46pm

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I enjoy hunting in many forms

cornellcoug

6/9/21 10:59pm

But surely you will admit that sending out dogs isn’t the most sportsman way to

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:05pm

RE: But surely you will admit that sending out dogs isn’t the most

Squeegee

6/10/21 8:32am

The article posted by squeegee appears to debunk your notion. At minimum it deserves a response.

fldnstrm

6/10/21 9:35pm

Is there a way to read more of the study? I can only get the first page. Anyhow,

Jstak17

6/11/21 9:44am

generally, if you have a .edu email address, you can log into JStor for free.

Squeegee

6/11/21 10:46am

Oh well, I don’t.

Jstak17

6/11/21 12:40pm

Keep posting you’re making a Yewt of yourself and it’s entertaining.

kotacoug

6/10/21 12:05am

Cry all you want.

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:21am

It doesn't sound like the big buck outsmarted you.

Eddie

6/11/21 9:51am

I’m curious what your feelings are on high fence hunting. To me it is all better

cornellcoug

6/9/21 9:13pm

Jstak17: "Nothing is more sporting than the meat section at Albertsons"

Jericho

6/9/21 9:28pm

Good one, not sure wha it’s going to take for you to understand that eating meat

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:20pm

Keep on backpeddling, I'm just enjoying the show

Jericho

6/9/21 11:22pm

That’s not an argument. Just more passive aggressive bs.

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:05am

Nah, just enjoying watching you try so desperately to prove your point

Jericho

6/10/21 12:13am

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Jstak17

6/10/21 12:26am

This really isn’t my argument. I don’t have a problem with hunting or eating

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:30pm

Hilarious that you cry about using dogs

Jericho

6/9/21 11:35pm

It’s hilarious, you can’t understand the difference between a recreational hunt

Jstak17

6/9/21 11:53pm

You’re the one crying about sportsmanship

Jericho

6/9/21 11:58pm

Point out those flaws then. You just keep attacking me. Stick to the argument.

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:11am

We’ve been through it

Jericho

6/10/21 12:15am

Just perusing through your posts the last few weeks. Sound like a miserable, sad

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:26am

Good luck on the internet. It’s not for snowflakes.

Jericho

6/10/21 12:30am

Thanks mom

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:36am

You’re welcome

Jericho

6/10/21 12:37am

You should read this post. See how someone who agrees with you can make an

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:42am

I think I’ve been patient

Jericho

6/10/21 12:46am

RE: I think I’ve been patient

Jstak17

6/10/21 11:19am

How many bears have you hunted?

JohnnyComeLately

6/10/21 12:05am

0, and I’ve asked people to explain how hunting with a pack of dogs is a

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:17am

RE: 0, and I’ve asked people to explain how hunting with a pack of dogs is

Jericho

6/10/21 12:18am

RE: 0, and I’ve asked people to explain how hunting with a pack of dogs is

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:19am

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Jericho

6/10/21 12:21am

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Jstak17

6/10/21 12:37am

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Jericho

6/10/21 12:39am

Just sad man.

Jstak17

6/10/21 12:44am

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Jericho

6/10/21 12:47am

I’ve never hunted a bear. I have hunted a lot of other animals though.

JohnnyComeLately

6/10/21 8:08am

That is why we put lots of spices in it and making sausage, not steaks!

cornellcoug

6/10/21 8:47am

Yes, I’ve had bear sausage before. It is not my thing.

JohnnyComeLately

6/10/21 8:49am

Look, I apologized to him. I’ve looked into it, and yes it’s much more of a

Jstak17

6/11/21 1:29pm

My answer wasn't good enough?

Squeegee

6/10/21 8:44am

Yes, it was good. I’ve responded to like 10 different people here. Sorry I’m

Jstak17

6/11/21 12:48pm

Prejudicial? I’ve repeatedly said I don’t care if others hound hunt. Like

Jstak17

6/11/21 3:21pm

Where in Idaho?

6/9/21 11:20pm

About 2 hours north of Boise past Idaho City

cornellcoug

6/10/21 9:41am

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