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Jun 16, 2021
1:49:46pm

Undefeated All-American

My wife's sister is married to a

great guy who is black. I am a white male. They just moved to Utah last year, about 10 miles from where we live. We've had a few good discussions over Sunday dinners on race while he's been here.

However, he said the 5 best white NBA players of all-time couldn't compete with even the fourth best all-time team of black only players.

His fourth team is:

Isiah Thomas
Dwayne Wade
Julius Erving or Scotty Pippen
Kevin Garnett
Bill Russell

My first team is:

Steve Nash or John Stockton
Luka Doncic
Larry Bird
Dirk Nowitzki
Nikola Jokic

or

Luka Doncic 6-7 230
Rick Barry 6-7 205
Larry Bird 6-9 220
Dirk Nowitzki 7-0 245
Nikola Jokic 6-11 284

Sorry, but I think my BIL is wrong. What do you think?

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Originally posted on Jun 16, 2021 at 1:49:46pm

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My wife's sister is married to a

Undefeated

6/16/21 1:49pm

That would be a competitive game.

scootsy

6/16/21 1:50pm

Bill Walton is missing from your team. Same with Jerry West.

6/16/21 1:51pm

Walton's peak was cut short so I went with Jokic. J. West was great but I worry

Undefeated

6/16/21 1:55pm

if you pick peak player I'd go with Walton...

icecougar

6/16/21 5:08pm

Maybe recency bias but I might still go Jokic.

Undefeated

6/16/21 7:29pm

The year he won his first Championship, Walton was the best defensive player

Parker Schnabel

6/16/21 4:19pm

I was going to post those same too guys

scott715

6/16/21 4:47pm

a healthy 1970's Bill Walton would've been a star in today's NBA

icecougar

6/16/21 5:04pm

Where’s the love for the Pistol?

Turbo

6/16/21 1:51pm

Very underrated by most NBA fans.

lbmango

6/16/21 1:53pm

They could compete. Not sure they’d win though.

spugeddy24

6/16/21 1:51pm

Yeah maybe true a few years ago. But with Luka and Jokic now I think they got it

JuicyJam

6/16/21 1:51pm

They would be competitive for sure.

lbmango

6/16/21 1:52pm

All time, it would be competitive. However

CocaColaRecovery

6/16/21 1:52pm

What would the current white team be?

DieHarder

6/16/21 2:09pm

RE: What would the current white team be?

BingoNY

6/16/21 3:21pm

When you're talking all-time greats vs. all-time greats, it's impossible to know

ebv

6/16/21 1:52pm

He’s got statistics on his side. Just a much deeper pool of black players to

Jay Rick

6/16/21 1:54pm

Who is your fourth team of white players?

dfudge

6/16/21 1:54pm

Hmm, Probably something like:

Undefeated

6/16/21 2:26pm

80s? Or 3-point era?

EtTuKalante

6/16/21 1:55pm

Today. 3-point era. Which is why I'd take my team. LakeshowCoug makes good point

Undefeated

6/16/21 2:02pm

He’s wrong if white guys include Euros.

Kavorka

6/16/21 1:57pm

You know it's bad on the white team when two players are current players who

6/16/21 1:57pm

I would still take the 4th team of black players. Much more athleticism.

LakeshowCougs

6/16/21 1:57pm

If zone defense is legal that white team wins. No three point shooters

Big Daddy D

6/16/21 2:03pm

Because making 3’s is the only way to beat a zone? I think the “white” would

LakeshowCougs

6/16/21 2:26pm

The zone takes away the drive. Defending that is the white team’s biggest

Big Daddy D

6/16/21 2:34pm

I agree. I think you overestimate the effectiveness of the Zone. Just put Pip

LakeshowCougs

6/16/21 3:05pm

In today’s nba your team would win. He has no shooters. Add Ray Allen and he

Big Daddy D

6/16/21 2:01pm

I'd assume if it was modern NBA rules then the black team would change up their

6/16/21 2:11pm

I think your team wins easily. Still ... he has made a good point

runnincoug

6/16/21 2:03pm

I don't think it really matters one way or the other...lots more offense on the white team here

6/16/21 2:06pm

I agree w/ your BIL.

jreid191

6/16/21 2:09pm

Looks like you don't agree with his BIL.

JAGA97

6/16/21 2:20pm

Good catch. In a 7 game series I'd pick the black team to win 4-1 or 4-2.

jreid191

6/16/21 2:24pm

What's your ranking for the best black players?

6/16/21 2:21pm

This is what I have. It's debatable if this is how the rankings SHOULD be, but

jreid191

6/16/21 2:27pm

Wow BYU representing

califcougar

6/16/21 2:29pm

I meant to include Devin's younger brother on the list. Simple typo. 🙂

jreid191

6/16/21 2:31pm

Curry is easily top 3 PG of all time.

califcougar

6/16/21 2:27pm

You're probably right. I failed to add in numbers from this season which would

jreid191

6/16/21 2:30pm

What about Ginobili? Does he make top white team as a starter or bench player?

4thand19

6/16/21 6:23pm

The person saying they couldn't compete is wrong. All those guys can play and

JAGA97

6/16/21 2:16pm

Obviously would be near impossible to beat a team of Curry, Jordan, Kobe, Durant

Undefeated

6/16/21 2:16pm

Well, Larry Bird actually DID compete with 3 on that 4th team, and did quite well, so there's that.

jdub

6/16/21 2:18pm

What I was thinking, too. LB won the MVP 3 years in a row. And I think Jokic

BYUHgrad

6/16/21 2:21pm

Russell was a freak athlete...

icecougar

6/16/21 5:20pm

Dwayne Wade is third best SG of all time which improves the fourth team because

califcougar

6/16/21 2:25pm

His SG list: 1. Jordan, 2. Bryant, 3. Leonard, 4. Wade. I agree with his order.

Undefeated

6/16/21 2:30pm

Basketball is somewhat positionless now but Kawhi isn’t listed as a SG

califcougar

6/16/21 2:35pm

It's a little sad that your #1 pale team includes only one U.S. born player

RC Vikings

6/16/21 2:50pm

I think having Bill Russell on the 4th team means your BIL is wrong.

neboutefan

6/16/21 2:53pm

I'd put Olajuwon, Abdul-Jabbar, O'Neal, Chamberlain, (Duncan if u count him a C)

Undefeated

6/16/21 3:10pm

It's subjective, but I would only put Jabbar and Chamberlain ahead of Russell.

neboutefan

6/16/21 3:14pm

Shaq is most dominant big man IMO. Russell 4th is good I would say

chitownboy

6/16/21 9:49pm

Gimme Jimmer, Ainge, Bradley, Plaisted, and Hanson, and we’ll beat anybody.

Jay Rick

6/16/21 3:03pm

He could easily be correct.

pink22

6/16/21 3:04pm

He's wrong but don't argue with him

BYU Grounds

6/16/21 3:10pm

We don't argue, we have friendly banter about it. We aren't sensitive and can

Undefeated

6/16/21 3:16pm

RE: My wife's sister is married to a

Osmos

6/16/21 3:29pm

That would be an awesome team to watch

BingoNY

6/16/21 3:38pm

Who are his 1st-3rd teams? I'd just want to be sure he's not stacking his 4th

squidmark

6/16/21 3:48pm

Sounds like only one way to settle it. Play him one-on-one

6/16/21 5:05pm

Consider adding Kevin McHale.

bob falfa

6/16/21 5:07pm

Arvydas Sabonis in his prime was amazing.

MDollickson

6/16/21 6:48pm

Yup. Him in prime plus Bird are as good as any duo you can name

6/16/21 7:25pm

I have him on this list at least:)

Undefeated

6/16/21 7:36pm

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