Universal Healthcare isn't the answer either.

Jul 16, 2021
11:42:11am

Ungoy All-American

It just shifts the protections and profits to the physicians\hospitals and the government instead of private insurance. Patients are still the bottom rung.

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Why does Utah not have balanced billing protections?

compcoug

7/16/21 12:08am

There will be federal surprise billing protections on Jan. 1, 2022

BYU '80

7/16/21 12:15am

Thank you, makes me happier.

compcoug

7/16/21 12:20am

A practice that has made me mad for a long time

BYU '80

7/16/21 12:24am

I fought an ER bill for my wife for over a year with the physicians office.

Ungoy

7/16/21 12:48am

Dang, exact same thing. We paid the $300 but wish we would've fought it

wannnacruise

7/16/21 12:50am

I've always felt there's a special level of Hell reserved

Ungoy

7/16/21 12:53am

The issue is your insurance company.

VACougMD

7/16/21 5:59am

Yup this thread is sad, so much misguided and misdirected hate in this thread.

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 6:32am

Yep.. but it’s the doctors fault! Those guys are so arrogant and greedy

cougfanz

7/16/21 7:03am

Haha I have worked in both of those scenarios and that’s so spot on it’s sad.

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 7:34am

Yea I’ve been getting obliterated on my press ganey in the angry post-covid

cougfanz

7/16/21 8:05am

Glad I missed those threads the other day. Oh man don’t get me started on Press Gainey. Whoever’s idea it was to

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 8:23am

Serious question - and I know you're pointing out many and more much broader

kos

7/16/21 1:17pm

Yes and no. You’re right most are still getting paid well per hour

cougfanz

7/16/21 2:17pm

Interesting. Thanks for the insight.

kos

7/16/21 3:07pm

The issue is that nobody bothers telling the patient that they're on the hook

Ungoy

7/16/21 8:15am

Just to clarify the ER doc also doesn’t know what insurance you have

cougfanz

7/16/21 8:20am

Also it would be illegal to check insurance at the door and redirect people to other ERs. Huge EMTALA violation.

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 8:22am

I'm not saying it's the just the docs fault.

Ungoy

7/16/21 8:40am

Doctors are patients too. We all get it. With the new law I’m guessing

cougfanz

7/16/21 8:48am

Right. My anger was not directed at the doctor who treated my wife, but rather

Ungoy

7/16/21 8:54am

You mean a cashier at Walmart who happens to be working for Target and you

Murray

7/16/21 9:27am

Oh I get it from a patient side. It’s incredibly frustrating. But I’m telling you that nobody can check your insurance

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 8:56am

I understand that completely, but in this time of electronic communication

Ungoy

7/16/21 8:29am

Agree. Billing is also the last thing on your doctors mind as well. But again

cougfanz

7/16/21 8:50am

The computer does tell you that. It says “out of network” on the patient’s chart.

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 9:02am

Correction: it tells the hospital staff that. Nobody relays that to the patient.

Ungoy

7/16/21 9:16am

Did you read the second sentence of my post? It can’t even be implied.

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 9:19am

I did. I get it. I'm glad there is a new law coming

Ungoy

7/16/21 9:21am

Don't get your hopes up about the new law....

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 10:02am

Unfortunately, what all this does in the end is encourage people not to seek

Ungoy

7/16/21 10:12am

Yup and that’s exactly the attitude your insurance company is looking to foster with this situation.

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 11:33am

Universal Healthcare isn't the answer either.

Ungoy

7/16/21 11:42am

Well said.

cougfanz

7/16/21 11:57am

What about non-profit insurance funds, like Germany?

Doogal McCougar

7/16/21 12:59pm

I like the idea. Somethin has got to give.

Virginia Ute

7/16/21 2:14pm

Absolutely agree. Many complain about other healthcare systems, but w/ insurance

Doogal McCougar

7/16/21 8:53am

Every healthcare system has its issues. I'm not sure what is a good fix.

Ungoy

7/16/21 9:31am

The thief here is the person receiving care and not paying for it. Imagine you

doctorcoug

7/16/21 8:44am

Not a great comparison. If this were an elective procedure...or even non-urgent

Doogal McCougar

7/16/21 9:04am

The key feature is not the emergent nature. The key feature is not having a

doctorcoug

7/16/21 10:21am

Bad analogy.

Ungoy

7/16/21 9:06am

And yet, you didn't pay. You cheated a doctor of money that they were owed.

doctorcoug

7/16/21 10:25am

They had an obligation to provide details of the situation and chose not to.

Ungoy

7/16/21 10:34am

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Tanuki777

7/16/21 10:42am

This is not a great comparison

Tanuki777

7/16/21 10:44am

When my fourth baby was born 15 years ago in Las Vegas we got hit with a similar

oohYeah

7/16/21 1:22am

It's extremely frustrating to believe you're doing your due diligence,

Ungoy

7/16/21 11:03am

How is it “balance billing” when $0 has been paid?

MormonDevil

7/16/21 1:30am

He could have Out of Network coverage where more than $0 was paid.

rainorsnow

7/16/21 4:24am

I am rarely on the side of government passing laws as 99%+ of the time

delbert

7/16/21 7:38pm

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