But Gruden was not an employee of the NFL at that time.

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Cancel culture at it's best... Gruden gets fired, has coached athletes of color and who are gay, with no complaints for

ChinaFan Truly Addicted User

10/13/21 7:46pm

I guarantee it’s more of a bruce allen thing and if they released other emails

CougieMcCougFace

10/13/21 7:47pm

The only real crime I see is forcing those cheerleaders to pose topless.

CopperLix

10/13/21 7:48pm

Gee....and here I thought that even in their full costumes...NFL cheerleaders were already (mostly) topless

Michael McQuain

10/13/21 8:35pm

That’s just your imagination

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 8:50pm

I heard Gru was going to identify as Hunter Biden so the media would ignore his

WorldWideLeader

10/14/21 12:41am

RE: I heard Gru was going to identify as Hunter Biden so the media would ignore

NVCougar

10/14/21 8:48am

You think being forced out over racist & homophobic work-related emails and not

vagabonder

10/13/21 7:50pm

Do you think policing peoples lives thru their email is the way to go? I guarantee that there are executives, even CEOs

ChinaFan

10/13/21 7:56pm

And you can bet that in just about any business, an executive would face severe

Kavorka

10/13/21 8:07pm

I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm saying that no one is going to go to my old employer, request my emails, and then

ChinaFan

10/13/21 8:41pm

That’s not what happened though. They surfaced as part of an NFL investigation

Kavorka

10/13/21 9:10pm

and if not relevant to that investigation should have remained private conversation though the league might want to talk

ChinaFan

10/13/21 10:26pm

It's the hypocrisy of leftist looney cancel mobs that is the problem. They are

shammy

10/13/21 8:14pm

How about this? Condemn both?

SwampyCoug

10/13/21 9:21pm

It is sad that all you have to do us throw the term "cancel culture" around and

SwampyCoug

10/13/21 9:12pm

not defending his speech at all, and no one would have thought that it was just ONE email. People who use those words

ChinaFan

10/13/21 10:41pm

I’d be willing to bet a huge percentage of the players have said things just as

Coug-Ida

10/13/21 11:30pm

Was Gruden fired?

Charles Darwin

10/13/21 7:50pm

He resigned because he was going to be fired

Adrielle

10/13/21 7:52pm

Doesn’t sound like Mark Davis was going to fire him based on his “comment”

rivercitycoug

10/13/21 8:04pm

Lost 60 million so he could avoid being fired? Doubt it

Charles Darwin

10/13/21 8:20pm

Keyshawn Johnson was pretty vocal this week.

Triznaynay

10/13/21 7:53pm

but never before...that's what the op is getting at

palangi

10/13/21 11:27pm

He claims he was before but no one listened. Said “he’s a bad person” and was

Triznaynay

10/14/21 5:48am

and Keyshawn is the best of who could come forward? are they going to trot Antonio Brown out next?

ChinaFan

10/14/21 10:17am

You know they have emails, right? These aren’t just allegations

Alpi Gusto

10/14/21 10:23am

You seem really committed to Gruden's cause here. You said "not a single

Triznaynay

10/14/21 10:53am

okay, you can have KJ, and I'll use Carr to counter that for every KJ there are players that love working for Gruden. I

ChinaFan

10/14/21 11:27am

This is not cancel culture. I am conservative but I am tired of conservatives

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 11:53am

See this is what's wrong today, people think that if someone makes a mistake with their words, they need to be erased

ChinaFan

10/14/21 12:06pm

Triznaynay

10/14/21 12:17pm

Did cancel culture really get Gruden or did Gruden’s own stupidity to write

CrimsonCoug81

10/13/21 7:54pm

It was stupid, but they were private emails never intended for public consumption.

Adrielle

10/13/21 8:01pm

Work emails to people in power within the league aren’t the same as private

Kavorka

10/13/21 8:04pm

It was his private email

vegas guey

10/13/21 8:55pm

Even if that’s the case, was he sending emails to the official email accounts

Kavorka

10/13/21 9:12pm

This one isn’t an example of cancel culture. Sorry.

Kavorka

10/13/21 7:55pm

I'm amazed that so many of you are choosing to die on this hill. If in your job,

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 7:57pm

But Gruden was not an employee of the NFL at that time.

BYU Grounds

10/13/21 8:03pm

No, but he was a former NFL head coach and covered the NFL for ESPN.

Kavorka

10/13/21 8:09pm

I agree with what Kavorka said below, but does it really matter if he was

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 8:59pm

The reactionary defense of all manner of scumbaggery on CB by some is odd. I

CorndogStickshift

10/13/21 8:31pm

Exactly, an internal investigation found disgusting written evidence

NYC and Japan

10/13/21 10:20pm

Does anyone one here really believe he can coach a diverse team now?

SwampyCoug

10/13/21 10:24pm

agreed, but also it's not just that he circulated nude photos of women —

HeismanTy

10/13/21 10:55pm

For sure, I agree

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 10:58pm

People can debate if he should be fired, but what he wrote was classless trash.

shoganai

10/13/21 8:04pm

I'd be more concerned about Gruden's actions than his emails. Did he discriminat

Forzaitalia

10/13/21 8:35pm

I listened to Chris Simms talk about this situation (Chris played for John for 6 years as a player) and he told a story

buhlcougar

10/13/21 8:36pm

Years and years, including fairly recent years of abominable written history

NYC and Japan

10/13/21 9:21pm

I would guess Grudens behavior is fairly common among men in power

kiyoshige

10/13/21 10:24pm

It doesn’t matter that he can hide it well

BYUAnime

10/13/21 10:44pm

He will coach again. Probably next season. And that team will succeed.

Heath Squashwell

10/13/21 10:59pm

What makes you think he’s a good coach? He hasn’t made the playoffs yet

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 11:00pm

uh, yeah he has, 5 different seasons, 2 teams (Oakland & Tampa Bay)

ChinaFan

10/13/21 11:09pm

BTW, that's 1/3 of all his seasons coached, including this year when he quit.

ChinaFan

10/13/21 11:10pm

He hasn’t been to the playoffs since 2007 and hasn’t won a playoff game since 02

Alpi Gusto

10/13/21 11:25pm

yet that isn't what you said, you said he hasn't made the playoffs yet, which clearly he has done FIVE time with two org

ChinaFan

10/13/21 11:36pm

Ok, ill fix it. What makes you think he’s a good coach? He signed the largest

Alpi Gusto

10/14/21 9:03am

Defending Gruden from "cancellation" is not a hill I’d choose to die on…

The Chelsea Dagger

10/13/21 11:10pm

RE: Cancel culture at it's best... Gruden gets fired, has coached athletes of

akbarishiwatsu

10/13/21 11:27pm

People do not understand modern day bigotry in the workplace. They don't usually

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 8:25am

I think people would be surprised how much of this out there

kiyoshige

10/14/21 8:49am

that's nuts, Cuomo had women accusers,. not just dirty emails.

ChinaFan

10/14/21 12:07pm

And emails with pics of women being forced to pose topless is what????

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 12:35pm

what about it? what about the content makes it appropriate to use cancel culture to force him out? Does his possession

ChinaFan

10/14/21 6:43pm

Look, you can have people like Gruden work for you. Good luck with that!

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 7:53pm

Principles that are more important than firing Gruden:

canofpicante

10/14/21 9:03am

He wasn't fired. He quit. And the emails speak for themselves. Sheesh.

SwampyCoug

10/14/21 9:22am

I’m not saying he should or shouldn’t have quit or got fired. I’m saying

canofpicante

10/18/21 10:04am

You're defending his actions and job harder than he did. He saw it and resigned.

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