By the way, the swimming pool fiasco is absolutely a Holmoe mistake...he's been

Jan 13, 2022
1:47:19pm

Don_Juan_El_Guapo Truly Addicted User

on fire lately but that was a hot mess. He should have taken the Provo High Campus and did it right. He may have even been able to work with Provo City and use that old pool they have there and work a deal for a nicer pool with tax payer monies.

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I don't understand why BYU has a mens swimming and diving team instead of

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:15am

deleted previous, good thought

Incentivize

1/13/22 11:18am

How many scholarships is each of those sports allocated when NCAA sanctioned?

SpudNut

1/13/22 11:23am

I think it is 9.9 scholarship for both mens soccer and swimming and diving.

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:24am

Men's swimming gets 9.9, women's get 14

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 11:27am

So scholarship allocation is the same.

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:40am

A few thoughts

Joe Banks

1/13/22 11:24am

Yea athletics used to be part of being a well rounded student. It's gotten

Kajdin

1/13/22 11:27am

Perhaps. But we always focus on FB/BB and crazy HS football recruits and their

cougfanz

1/13/22 11:36am

Good points...

wilsdad

1/13/22 11:30am

Interesting thoughts. Thanks.

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:35am

I don’t know of BYU soccer developing even an MLS-level player. But that doesn’t

The Chelsea Dagger

1/13/22 12:08pm

Seems like an NCAA sanctioned sport would be a huge appeal to that level of

cougfanz

1/13/22 12:18pm

Especially if you can attract a few foreigners outside of their academy systems

The Chelsea Dagger

1/13/22 1:44pm

Swimming should be dropped because it’s a drain. So costly. mens soccer would be

SouthernBlueBlood

1/13/22 4:05pm

its actually not as expensive because the school offsets cost of the facility

1984coug

1/13/22 7:22pm

Who did you talk to that doesn't want to be D1?

YSMACK

1/13/22 5:49pm

It’s been a few years, maybe the perspective has changed.

Joe Banks

1/13/22 6:00pm

Profitability is an indicator that it contributes to the college environment and

Mises

1/13/22 7:36pm

I worked closely with Men’s soccer about 10 years ago. At that time, they

Delicate Genius

1/13/22 8:20pm

I think it comes down to understanding the sport...I live and breathe swimming

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 11:26am

I was not trying to be snarky. I honestly don't understand why swimming and

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:39am

And I've got to think that BYU womens soccer does pretty well revenue wise. I

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:56am

No, I get it...I'm guessing the women's soccer team does all right...but truly

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 12:36pm

I would vote for Wrestling over Soccer as as replacement.

Qhall

1/13/22 12:24pm

Sounds like we should have a competition to see which sport is more MANly,

Pangare

1/13/22 1:09pm

Wrestling and Hockey are the clear front runners here. In the fight, can the

Iron Coug

1/13/22 1:40pm

That's not a fair fight. None of those weenies could compete against wrestlers.

Schultz is back

1/13/22 5:12pm

Logic checks out... BYU needs a wrestling program.

Pangare

1/14/22 8:25am

Can I get an AMEN!!!

AzCugrFan

1/13/22 1:55pm

I would vote for Rugby, then men's gymnastics. Wrestling would be my 3rd choice.

Les IsMore

1/13/22 4:33pm

We already have ballroom dancing. Why do we need men's gymnastics?

Schultz is back

1/13/22 5:29pm

I grew up going to BYU wrestling camps. Wrestlers got the shaft with Title IX

dryflycoug

1/13/22 5:53pm

By the way, the swimming pool fiasco is absolutely a Holmoe mistake...he's been

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 1:47pm

That pool was gone years before they built the new high school

Nat Gas Man

1/13/22 5:09pm

Even better reason to rebuild it

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 6:13pm

I’m with you, but not because of the revenue argument

stoils

1/13/22 1:56pm

They could double the size of the soccer stadium and sell it out consistentlyIMO

teancum

1/13/22 2:00pm

Another problem with soccer is that there just aren't that many NCAA teams.

Tare

1/13/22 2:02pm

Only 205 teams

teancum

1/13/22 2:11pm

Compared with only 23 NCAA Div 1 Men's Volleyball teams.

Les IsMore

1/13/22 4:38pm

Keep men's soccer in the WCC then - or the Pac. There are 208 D1 mens soccer

Iron Coug

1/13/22 2:15pm

Most conferences have a minimum sponsored sports requirement

Bobmarleyjr

1/13/22 2:28pm

True, but there are lots of exceptions out there too. See UVU wrestling in the

Iron Coug

1/13/22 3:29pm

Yes but when you’re trying to be accepted you want to be compatible as possible

Bobmarleyjr

1/13/22 3:33pm

Exactly. We're not going to start a new sport and put it in some random conf.

Schultz is back

1/13/22 5:46pm

The BIG12 has men's soccer, if only we could get sports into that conference...

Sharper

1/13/22 9:48pm

The WCC, Big West, WAC, and Pac 12 all sponsor D1 men's soccer. Regional

The Chelsea Dagger

1/13/22 2:50pm

I haven’t checked but pretty sure more conferences sponsor Mens swimming

Bobmarleyjr

1/13/22 2:11pm

Would love to have it all, but definitely should choose soccer over swim/dive.

Mitty

1/13/22 2:48pm

The decisions were made a long time ago when the landscape was very different.

shoganai

1/13/22 2:48pm

And wrestling!!!!!

Blue chunks

1/13/22 4:31pm

Or Rugby.

oldrugger

1/13/22 4:54pm

The pool is the right length for NCAA not for Olympics. Nobody wanted to pay to

Nat Gas Man

1/13/22 5:10pm

When it was happening the rumors on CB were that the money was there but BYU

Schultz is back

1/13/22 5:41pm

One Steve Young..who had a niece who was a swimmer...was willing to throw big

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 6:18pm

the pool is arguably one of the best available in the intermountain region

1984coug

1/13/22 7:27pm

What I don't understand is why Title IX operates under the fiction that men and women are equally interested in

Bob Vance

1/13/22 5:34pm

yes they do have a correct length pool- NCAA competes in 25 yards, BYU

1984coug

1/13/22 7:21pm

I’m a former BYU swimmer, English Channel swimmer, Utah Sports HOF member

shaggy

1/13/22 7:51pm

I know a former BYU swimmer really well, he's said much of the same

1984coug

1/13/22 8:05pm

But soccer is an Olympic sport too. Just saying. Swimming is one of the most

Iron Coug

1/13/22 9:34pm

How is swimming “elitist” or expensive compared to other sports?

1984coug

1/13/22 9:36pm

There are just at many people at BYU as equally passionate about cross-stitching

stoils

1/13/22 11:35pm

Having the women's team, the men's team may be able to share expenses re

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