I’m with you, but not because of the revenue argument

Jan 13, 2022
1:56:10pm

stoils All-American

Sports should enhance the student experience. Swimming and diving does nothing to enhance the student experience at BYU (outside of a handful of kids and their parents). Attending soccer games does enhance the student experience.

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I don't understand why BYU has a mens swimming and diving team instead of

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:15am

deleted previous, good thought

Incentivize

1/13/22 11:18am

How many scholarships is each of those sports allocated when NCAA sanctioned?

SpudNut

1/13/22 11:23am

I think it is 9.9 scholarship for both mens soccer and swimming and diving.

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:24am

Men's swimming gets 9.9, women's get 14

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 11:27am

So scholarship allocation is the same.

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:40am

A few thoughts

Joe Banks

1/13/22 11:24am

Yea athletics used to be part of being a well rounded student. It's gotten

Kajdin

1/13/22 11:27am

Perhaps. But we always focus on FB/BB and crazy HS football recruits and their

cougfanz

1/13/22 11:36am

Good points...

wilsdad

1/13/22 11:30am

Interesting thoughts. Thanks.

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:35am

I don’t know of BYU soccer developing even an MLS-level player. But that doesn’t

The Chelsea Dagger

1/13/22 12:08pm

Seems like an NCAA sanctioned sport would be a huge appeal to that level of

cougfanz

1/13/22 12:18pm

Especially if you can attract a few foreigners outside of their academy systems

The Chelsea Dagger

1/13/22 1:44pm

Swimming should be dropped because it’s a drain. So costly. mens soccer would be

SouthernBlueBlood

1/13/22 4:05pm

its actually not as expensive because the school offsets cost of the facility

1984coug

1/13/22 7:22pm

Who did you talk to that doesn't want to be D1?

YSMACK

1/13/22 5:49pm

It’s been a few years, maybe the perspective has changed.

Joe Banks

1/13/22 6:00pm

Profitability is an indicator that it contributes to the college environment and

Mises

1/13/22 7:36pm

I worked closely with Men’s soccer about 10 years ago. At that time, they

Delicate Genius

1/13/22 8:20pm

I think it comes down to understanding the sport...I live and breathe swimming

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 11:26am

I was not trying to be snarky. I honestly don't understand why swimming and

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:39am

And I've got to think that BYU womens soccer does pretty well revenue wise. I

Iron Coug

1/13/22 11:56am

No, I get it...I'm guessing the women's soccer team does all right...but truly

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 12:36pm

I would vote for Wrestling over Soccer as as replacement.

Qhall

1/13/22 12:24pm

Sounds like we should have a competition to see which sport is more MANly,

Pangare

1/13/22 1:09pm

Wrestling and Hockey are the clear front runners here. In the fight, can the

Iron Coug

1/13/22 1:40pm

That's not a fair fight. None of those weenies could compete against wrestlers.

Schultz is back

1/13/22 5:12pm

Logic checks out... BYU needs a wrestling program.

Pangare

1/14/22 8:25am

Can I get an AMEN!!!

AzCugrFan

1/13/22 1:55pm

I would vote for Rugby, then men's gymnastics. Wrestling would be my 3rd choice.

Les IsMore

1/13/22 4:33pm

We already have ballroom dancing. Why do we need men's gymnastics?

Schultz is back

1/13/22 5:29pm

I grew up going to BYU wrestling camps. Wrestlers got the shaft with Title IX

dryflycoug

1/13/22 5:53pm

By the way, the swimming pool fiasco is absolutely a Holmoe mistake...he's been

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 1:47pm

That pool was gone years before they built the new high school

Nat Gas Man

1/13/22 5:09pm

Even better reason to rebuild it

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 6:13pm

I’m with you, but not because of the revenue argument

stoils

1/13/22 1:56pm

They could double the size of the soccer stadium and sell it out consistentlyIMO

teancum

1/13/22 2:00pm

Another problem with soccer is that there just aren't that many NCAA teams.

Tare

1/13/22 2:02pm

Only 205 teams

teancum

1/13/22 2:11pm

Compared with only 23 NCAA Div 1 Men's Volleyball teams.

Les IsMore

1/13/22 4:38pm

Keep men's soccer in the WCC then - or the Pac. There are 208 D1 mens soccer

Iron Coug

1/13/22 2:15pm

Most conferences have a minimum sponsored sports requirement

Bobmarleyjr

1/13/22 2:28pm

True, but there are lots of exceptions out there too. See UVU wrestling in the

Iron Coug

1/13/22 3:29pm

Yes but when you’re trying to be accepted you want to be compatible as possible

Bobmarleyjr

1/13/22 3:33pm

Exactly. We're not going to start a new sport and put it in some random conf.

Schultz is back

1/13/22 5:46pm

The BIG12 has men's soccer, if only we could get sports into that conference...

Sharper

1/13/22 9:48pm

The WCC, Big West, WAC, and Pac 12 all sponsor D1 men's soccer. Regional

The Chelsea Dagger

1/13/22 2:50pm

I haven’t checked but pretty sure more conferences sponsor Mens swimming

Bobmarleyjr

1/13/22 2:11pm

Would love to have it all, but definitely should choose soccer over swim/dive.

Mitty

1/13/22 2:48pm

The decisions were made a long time ago when the landscape was very different.

shoganai

1/13/22 2:48pm

And wrestling!!!!!

Blue chunks

1/13/22 4:31pm

Or Rugby.

oldrugger

1/13/22 4:54pm

The pool is the right length for NCAA not for Olympics. Nobody wanted to pay to

Nat Gas Man

1/13/22 5:10pm

When it was happening the rumors on CB were that the money was there but BYU

Schultz is back

1/13/22 5:41pm

One Steve Young..who had a niece who was a swimmer...was willing to throw big

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

1/13/22 6:18pm

the pool is arguably one of the best available in the intermountain region

1984coug

1/13/22 7:27pm

What I don't understand is why Title IX operates under the fiction that men and women are equally interested in

Bob Vance

1/13/22 5:34pm

yes they do have a correct length pool- NCAA competes in 25 yards, BYU

1984coug

1/13/22 7:21pm

I’m a former BYU swimmer, English Channel swimmer, Utah Sports HOF member

shaggy

1/13/22 7:51pm

I know a former BYU swimmer really well, he's said much of the same

1984coug

1/13/22 8:05pm

But soccer is an Olympic sport too. Just saying. Swimming is one of the most

Iron Coug

1/13/22 9:34pm

How is swimming “elitist” or expensive compared to other sports?

1984coug

1/13/22 9:36pm

There are just at many people at BYU as equally passionate about cross-stitching

stoils

1/13/22 11:35pm

Having the women's team, the men's team may be able to share expenses re

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