Since you’re a D-1 swimmer, then you know

Jan 14, 2022
3:05:06pm

stoils All-American

Nobody cares about how close they sit. There isn’t anyone in the place and no matter how far away your mom and dad are, they can easily see who is leading and who is trailing.

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I don't understand why BYU has a mens swimming and diving team instead of

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 11:15am

deleted previous, good thought

Incentivize

Jan 13, 11:18am

How many scholarships is each of those sports allocated when NCAA sanctioned?

SpudNut

Jan 13, 11:23am

I think it is 9.9 scholarship for both mens soccer and swimming and diving.

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 11:24am

Men's swimming gets 9.9, women's get 14

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Jan 13, 11:27am

So scholarship allocation is the same.

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 11:40am

A few thoughts

Joe Banks

Jan 13, 11:24am

Yea athletics used to be part of being a well rounded student. It's gotten

Kajdin

Jan 13, 11:27am

Perhaps. But we always focus on FB/BB and crazy HS football recruits and their

cougfanz

Jan 13, 11:36am

Good points...

wilsdad

Jan 13, 11:30am

Interesting thoughts. Thanks.

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 11:35am

I don’t know of BYU soccer developing even an MLS-level player. But that doesn’t

The Chelsea Dagger

Jan 13, 12:08pm

Seems like an NCAA sanctioned sport would be a huge appeal to that level of

cougfanz

Jan 13, 12:18pm

Especially if you can attract a few foreigners outside of their academy systems

The Chelsea Dagger

Jan 13, 1:44pm

Swimming should be dropped because it’s a drain. So costly. mens soccer would be

SouthernBlueBlood

Jan 13, 4:05pm

its actually not as expensive because the school offsets cost of the facility

1984coug

Jan 13, 7:22pm

Who did you talk to that doesn't want to be D1?

YSMACK

Jan 13, 5:49pm

It’s been a few years, maybe the perspective has changed.

Joe Banks

Jan 13, 6:00pm

Profitability is an indicator that it contributes to the college environment and

Mises

Jan 13, 7:36pm

I worked closely with Men’s soccer about 10 years ago. At that time, they

Delicate Genius

Jan 13, 8:20pm

I think it comes down to understanding the sport...I live and breathe swimming

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Jan 13, 11:26am

I was not trying to be snarky. I honestly don't understand why swimming and

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 11:39am

And I've got to think that BYU womens soccer does pretty well revenue wise. I

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 11:56am

No, I get it...I'm guessing the women's soccer team does all right...but truly

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Jan 13, 12:36pm

I would vote for Wrestling over Soccer as as replacement.

Qhall

Jan 13, 12:24pm

Sounds like we should have a competition to see which sport is more MANly,

Pangare

Jan 13, 1:09pm

Wrestling and Hockey are the clear front runners here. In the fight, can the

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 1:40pm

That's not a fair fight. None of those weenies could compete against wrestlers.

Schultz is back

Jan 13, 5:12pm

Logic checks out... BYU needs a wrestling program.

Pangare

Jan 14, 8:25am

Can I get an AMEN!!!

AzCugrFan

Jan 13, 1:55pm

I would vote for Rugby, then men's gymnastics. Wrestling would be my 3rd choice.

Les IsMore

Jan 13, 4:33pm

We already have ballroom dancing. Why do we need men's gymnastics?

Schultz is back

Jan 13, 5:29pm

I grew up going to BYU wrestling camps. Wrestlers got the shaft with Title IX

dryflycoug

Jan 13, 5:53pm

Swimming was at most universities long before kids started playing soccer in

Utefaninenemyland

Jan 13, 1:26pm

By the way, the swimming pool fiasco is absolutely a Holmoe mistake...he's been

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Jan 13, 1:47pm

That pool was gone years before they built the new high school

Nat Gas Man

Jan 13, 5:09pm

Even better reason to rebuild it

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Jan 13, 6:13pm

I’m with you, but not because of the revenue argument

stoils

Jan 13, 1:56pm

They could double the size of the soccer stadium and sell it out consistentlyIMO

teancum

Jan 13, 2:00pm

Another problem with soccer is that there just aren't that many NCAA teams.

Tare

Jan 13, 2:02pm

Only 205 teams

teancum

Jan 13, 2:11pm

Compared with only 23 NCAA Div 1 Men's Volleyball teams.

Les IsMore

Jan 13, 4:38pm

Keep men's soccer in the WCC then - or the Pac. There are 208 D1 mens soccer

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 2:15pm

Most conferences have a minimum sponsored sports requirement

Bobmarleyjr

Jan 13, 2:28pm

True, but there are lots of exceptions out there too. See UVU wrestling in the

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 3:29pm

Yes but when you’re trying to be accepted you want to be compatible as possible

Bobmarleyjr

Jan 13, 3:33pm

Exactly. We're not going to start a new sport and put it in some random conf.

Schultz is back

Jan 13, 5:46pm

The BIG12 has men's soccer, if only we could get sports into that conference...

Sharper

Jan 13, 9:48pm

The WCC, Big West, WAC, and Pac 12 all sponsor D1 men's soccer. Regional

The Chelsea Dagger

Jan 13, 2:50pm

I haven’t checked but pretty sure more conferences sponsor Mens swimming

Bobmarleyjr

Jan 13, 2:11pm

Would love to have it all, but definitely should choose soccer over swim/dive.

Mitty

Jan 13, 2:48pm

The decisions were made a long time ago when the landscape was very different.

shoganai

Jan 13, 2:48pm

And wrestling!!!!!

Blue chunks

Jan 13, 4:31pm

Or Rugby.

oldrugger

Jan 13, 4:54pm

The pool is the right length for NCAA not for Olympics. Nobody wanted to pay to

Nat Gas Man

Jan 13, 5:10pm

When it was happening the rumors on CB were that the money was there but BYU

Schultz is back

Jan 13, 5:41pm

One Steve Young..who had a niece who was a swimmer...was willing to throw big

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Jan 13, 6:18pm

the pool is arguably one of the best available in the intermountain region

1984coug

Jan 13, 7:27pm

This is incorrect. There are high school’s that have better pool’s than BYU.

Utefaninenemyland

Jan 14, 11:45am

Which high schools in Utah?

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Jan 14, 11:55am

Olympus for one. Skylines new pool will be better. Hunter’s was better 30 years

Utefaninenemyland

Jan 14, 12:03pm

False, false and false. Olympus has a nice facility for a high school.

shaggy

Jan 14, 12:15pm

I should clarify not speaking about all the extras just the competition pool

Utefaninenemyland

Jan 14, 12:24pm

You're a Ute fan, of course you don't like BYU's facilities- BYU has actual

1984coug

Jan 14, 1:08pm

and when was the last time you watched a meet at BYU? It is set up as surround

1984coug

Jan 14, 1:14pm

Watched 5A finals a couple ago Also said in previous post the U’s facilities

Utefaninenemyland

Jan 14, 1:28pm

Since you’re a D-1 swimmer, then you know

stoils

Jan 14, 3:05pm

Why have seating at all? I’m not a D1 swimmer, I was a D1 swimmer. Now I’m a

Utefaninenemyland

Jan 14, 5:47pm

If you were a D1 swimmer then there’s no way you’d say a hs pool in utah is

1984coug

Jan 14, 11:38pm

I was involved with the pool project, and involved with those that swam

1984coug

Jan 14, 4:09pm

Look, I'm no fan of what TH did to the BYU pool but it's still way better than

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Jan 14, 12:25pm

Where does Man View have a pool. If you are referring to the Orem Rec Center

Nat Gas Man

Jan 14, 1:33pm

What I don't understand is why Title IX operates under the fiction that men and women are equally interested in

Bob Vance

Jan 13, 5:34pm

yes they do have a correct length pool- NCAA competes in 25 yards, BYU

1984coug

Jan 13, 7:21pm

I’m a former BYU swimmer, English Channel swimmer, Utah Sports HOF member

shaggy

Jan 13, 7:51pm

I know a former BYU swimmer really well, he's said much of the same

1984coug

Jan 13, 8:05pm

But soccer is an Olympic sport too. Just saying. Swimming is one of the most

Iron Coug

Jan 13, 9:34pm

How is swimming “elitist” or expensive compared to other sports?

1984coug

Jan 13, 9:36pm

Speedo’s are expensive.😂

Utefaninenemyland

Jan 14, 12:49pm

There are just at many people at BYU as equally passionate about cross-stitching

stoils

Jan 13, 11:35pm

Having the women's team, the men's team may be able to share expenses re

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