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Jun 22, 2022
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Coastal Carolina was really the game that pushed me into Tuiaki defender status
Blueto
Jun 22, 2:32pm
What was time of possession?
TNT
Jun 22, 2:34pm
Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per
Blueto
Jun 22, 2:37pm
Of course it's relevant in a game where BYU's elite offense couldn't seem to get in a rhythm.
mulletino
Jun 22, 2:46pm
1 of those possessions was end of half. The other was end of game.
Beggar
Jun 22, 3:05pm
RE: Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per
ProvoRoots
Jun 22, 4:25pm
2 of those possessions they had around 30 seconds
cougaman
Jun 22, 6:36pm
RE: Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per
imdocrob
Jun 22, 10:14pm
I guess I'm confused
Blueto
Jun 22, 10:41pm
RE: I guess I'm confused
imdocrob
Jun 23, 4:52pm
And how many possessions did BYU have relative to season average?
Gustav
Jun 22, 2:37pm
Great question
TNT
Jun 22, 2:49pm
Time of Possession was terrible...because BYU offense couldn't sustain a drive
krindorr
Jun 22, 5:43pm
Um, the reason the score was so low was because they played ball-control offense
cvd6262
Jun 22, 2:34pm
That's why BYU scored 3 points in its final 6 possessions. . . Now I get it.
Zoobieman
Jun 22, 2:41pm
This- CCU realized Byu was a big play offense- limit their time on the field
1984coug
Jun 22, 2:41pm
Also didn't help that we scored a TD on the first play of the game, only to have it called back on a hold
thewaterboy
Jun 22, 2:46pm
You just had to remind us. I had all but forgotten that play.
Big Daddy D
Jun 22, 3:05pm
The offense playing poorly is a reflection on Tuiaki? This is the stuff I'm
Blueto
Jun 22, 2:51pm
Both units failed. Tuiaki’s D fails more consistentlu than that offense. This is
kotacoug
Jun 22, 3:03pm
Not that game. Defense far out performed offense that game especially considering opponent and circumstances.
mvtoro
Jun 22, 3:05pm
The O sucked. The D sucked. When we needed the D to step up and make a stop they
kotacoug
Jun 22, 8:16pm
What field do you work in? Imagine being only given 1/3 resources to succeed
1984coug
Jun 22, 3:27pm
Imagine failing with whatever resources you do have - why should you be given...
Eddie
Jun 22, 3:32pm
*Getting* the ball is a resource. They had as many resources. *Keeping* the ball is up to you. In fact, your minutes of
mvtoro
Jun 22, 3:41pm
Yes - no one is saying that the defense needed the offense to control the clock.
Eddie
Jun 22, 3:28pm
Definitely more
mvtoro
Jun 22, 3:42pm
That was coastals strategy going into the game
BYU '80
Jun 22, 11:23pm
Except they didn't control the ball.
VenomFarmer
Jun 23, 12:50am
RE: Coastal Carolina was really the game that pushed me into Tuiaki defender
Reasonable1
Jun 22, 2:35pm
I don't know how you could watch that game and walk away defending anyone.
Big Red Thunder
Jun 22, 2:35pm
I would have liked to have defended Wilson on the final play of the first half.
Coach's Dad
Jun 22, 2:55pm
Did you watch the UAB game too?
DavisCoCoug
Jun 22, 2:36pm
You serious?? This game is what made me turn on Tuiaki.
CObluezone
Jun 22, 2:36pm
The offense was equally atrocious that game
Corn Pop
Jun 22, 3:00pm
There was plenty of blame to go around for that one...
NOCAL_YFAN
Jun 22, 2:37pm
Very accurate post
Zoobieman
Jun 22, 2:59pm
The offense was not good that game. But I'm going to let you in on a little
byubyu
Jun 22, 2:37pm
Aye. It was almost like it was CCU's game plan....
Doogal McCougar
Jun 22, 2:40pm
Expect USF and Baylor (among others) to use that same game plan this year
thewaterboy
Jun 22, 2:42pm
Also, BYU's longest drives were 3:41 and 3:51 and both ended in punts.
byubyu
Jun 22, 2:41pm
BYU averaged 1.54 points per drive. So you're saying they needed 13 drives to
Blueto
Jun 22, 2:44pm
17, 13, 11. 94, 85, 51. 9:06, 5:54, 6:06. TD, TD, TD. But yay for holding them
byubyu
Jun 22, 2:48pm
Here is the issue. When you play an option team and never take a lead they are
Blueto
Jun 22, 3:03pm
BYU led at the half 14 - 13
Beggar
Jun 22, 3:05pm
And scored 3 points on 6 drives in the second half. Ball game.
Blueto
Jun 22, 3:07pm
RE: And scored 3 points on 6 drives in the second half. Ball game.
chilawcoug
Jun 22, 3:25pm
2 of those drives ended essentially in hail marys but cool stat.
mulletino
Jun 22, 3:25pm
BYU led 7-6. BYU led 17-13.
byubyu
Jun 22, 3:08pm
Except Costal wasn't an option team, they were an RPO team with the run option
byublue42
Jun 22, 7:54pm
Points allowed per possession! That’s the key data point
kotacoug
Jun 22, 2:42pm
Here’s your answer
Tuskaloosa Cougar
Jun 22, 4:48pm
Congrats on the worst take of 2022! Exciting!
OMIllionaire
Jun 22, 2:39pm
Your own, personal bias has made you blind if you truly believe the offense
Corn Pop
Jun 22, 2:52pm
Haha yup. He basically said, "No one blamed the offense, so I'm going to
byubyu
Jun 22, 3:01pm
Haha nope. I'm linking a thread that is talking about Tuiaki. Coastal is brought
Blueto
Jun 22, 3:05pm
That's because people like you continue to think this is good defense:
byubyu
Jun 22, 3:08pm
Tuiaki is FANTASTIC
TeeKaa
Jun 22, 2:59pm
17, 11, 13...
Beggar
Jun 22, 3:04pm
That loss was on the offense. Allgeier fumble and Romney drop on 4th down.
Jimmerfan32
Jun 22, 3:05pm
15 play drives over and over - end of story - end of game loss
AFitisemanu
Jun 22, 3:05pm
Disagree completely
ProvoRoots
Jun 22, 3:31pm
So, your argument that the defense was good was that they held the opponent to
here's to hoping
Jun 22, 4:01pm
U act like 11 possessions is a lot, & 2 of them with 40 seconds left in half
viper
Jun 22, 4:07pm
One game and you're sold? Wow
ManicBlue
Jun 22, 4:26pm
I don't think it was one game. . .it was THAT game that pushed him over the edge
Zoobieman
Jun 22, 5:54pm
Even if that WAS a good defensive performance (it wasn't), you don't take ...
Bossk82
Jun 22, 4:43pm
I'm saying that game pushed me into defending him because the scapegoating
Blueto
Jun 22, 4:50pm
You guys aren’t getting it. He’s not saying the game made him think Tuiaki is great. It showed him that CB is much less
mvtoro
Jun 22, 4:58pm
My opinion of Tuiaki and his defense
ManicBlue
Jun 22, 5:09pm
Good opinion.
boctabulous
Jun 22, 5:25pm
I can buy all that. I can't buy that Tuiaki is the only problem ever and the direct cause of every BYU loss
krindorr
Jun 22, 5:57pm
Absolutely agree. The offense and special teams all played a big role in the Boise St loss last year.
ManicBlue
Jun 22, 6:18pm
So reverse psychology works great on this poster i guess?
boctabulous
Jun 22, 5:24pm
You guess wrong. And you still don’t understand. That’s ok. 👍🏻
mvtoro
Jun 22, 8:42pm
This is exactly where I am. I don't think Tuiaki's good, but the criticism/scapegoating is over the top
krindorr
Jun 22, 5:56pm
A defense that doesn't lose and doesn't win games
akbarishiwatsu
Jun 22, 5:00pm
Let's look at Arizona St 2021
krindorr
Jun 22, 5:59pm
Defense looked really good against Utah last year and pretty good against Az st.
here's to hoping
Jun 22, 9:21pm
Board name checks out
chilawcoug
Jun 22, 10:26pm
Great idea. Use an extremely small sample size to draw a conclusion.
boctabulous
Jun 22, 5:21pm
but but but time of possesion
Rat
Jun 22, 5:32pm
You are a defender of Tuiaki because the O laid 1 egg that year? Cool story
stansburycoug
Jun 22, 5:49pm
Pattern started in 2016 . . .it was THAT game that pushed him over the edge
Zoobieman
Jun 22, 6:06pm
I think the issue is that offenses and defenses need to complement each other...
icecougar
Jun 22, 7:21pm
Holding Coastal to 15 points under their average isn’t like holding Georgia 15
The_ATL
Jun 22, 7:34pm
Very solid Yahtzee post here. At least 3 in every category. Well done.
ForzaPuma
Jun 22, 11:28pm
RE: Very solid Yahtzee post here. At least 3 in every category. Well done.
Blueto
Jun 22, 11:59pm
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